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Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:25 am to FLTech
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I was told that a 30-06 will blow the head off an elephant
I once shot a Stegosaurus with a 30-06. It caused the whole species to go extinct
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:33 am to Diamondawg
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empirical evidence
That’s not empirical, it’s anecdotal.
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Empirical evidence relies on systematic observation, experimentation, and measurable data, making it highly objective and reliable. In contrast, anecdotal evidence is based on casual observations, personal stories, or individual experiences, which are often subjective and prone to bias.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:38 am to Diamondawg
The fact that that bullet fragmented as bad as it did tells me all I need to know about Remington core lokt. It’s funny a human spine can stop a 30-06 but a deer shoulder can’t. I find that hard to believe and if they say it’s true then my respect for the 30-06 round went out the window. I’ve done more damage with a 243 to be honest.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:47 am to RobertFootball
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I find that hard to believe and if they say it’s true then my respect for the 30-06 round went out the window. I’ve done more damage with a 243 to be honest.
Dude, you can get those same non-bonded bullets for the .243.
I will admit that a .243 is a better choice of caliber for whitetail in the southeast, it cannot match 30-06 performance. To say these results, that were achieved with an outdated bullet design has made you question the effectiveness of the 30-06 caliber is just foolish.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:50 am to stout
I wish all the billy badasses that made videos and said the jooz boss da jooz can be all posted here in this thread...
The Trial is starting in bout 15 minutes. Start a live thread so our poli board lawyers can opine their wisdom.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:51 am to RobertFootball
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bertFootball
You don't understand terminal ballistics at all.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:54 am to Philzilla2k
Still evidence. How do you know I didn't a double blind study using many different caliber weapons and different types of cartridges?
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:58 am to stout
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Remington Cor-Lokt
They don't call them the deadliest mushroom in the woods for nothing...
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Core-Lokt is Remington’s long-running big-game hunting ammunition line, famously nicknamed “The Deadliest Mushroom in the Woods” for its reputation for accurate, reliable expansion and consistent performance
Posted on 7/10/26 at 8:58 am to stout
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Don't forget all of the ballistics experts here on TD.com who told us they shot 3 deer over their life with a 30-06 and there was barely any meat left on the bones.
Bruh, Biden told us a 9mm can blow your lungs out. Imagine what a high power round like a 30-06 could do. Don't you believe the president?
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:02 am to UtahCajun
quote:Only advantage to .243 over 30.06 is speed and flat trajectory on long distance shots. Use the same type cartridge, equal distance and the 30.06 will do more damage than a .243. I have both and the .243 stays in the gun safe most of the time.
Dude, you can get those same non-bonded bullets for the .243.
I will admit that a .243 is a better choice of caliber for whitetail in the southeast, it cannot match 30-06 performance. To say these results, that were achieved with an outdated bullet design has made you question the effectiveness of the 30-06 caliber is just foolish.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:05 am to RUFshreve
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So for those of you who trust the FBI and believe the lone gunmen theory(cant believe were still doing this in 2026), explain this to me
None of his 5 loads were the load used. If he really wanted to brag "this is how experiments are conducted scientifically" then he shouldn't have used 5 loads. He only needed one load and that load would have had to have been the same age as the load used in the killing of CK and shot through the very same rifle or as close to the very same rifle.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:07 am to RUFshreve
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So for those of you who trust the FBI and believe the lone gunmen theory(cant believe were still doing this in 2026), explain this to me.
Your link is from December 2025 and the guy even admits they assumed the bullet trajectory didn't hit bone so they used some boneless pork roast
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If tweet fails to load, click here. We now know from the autopsy reports from the trial that the bullet did hit bone so that wasted all that time, and boneless pork roast
Tyler Robinson judge unseals ATF report in assassination of Charlie Kirk
Also, 55 shots is a really is a small sample to base a whole conclusion on and no scientific community would accept such a small sample size as conclusive.
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 9:10 am
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:07 am to RobertFootball
quote:I got out of this debate long ago and don't know why I re-entered but have they mentioned possible reloaded cartridges. Possible to have powdered down a reload and then all ballistic product information is out the window.
he fact that that bullet fragmented as bad as it did tells me all I need to know about Remington core lokt.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:11 am to Diamondawg
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Only advantage to .243 over 30.06 is speed and flat trajectory on long distance shots. Use the same type cartridge, equal distance and the 30.06 will do more damage than a .243. I have both and the .243 stays in the gun safe most of the time
Not the only advantage, but 30-06 would be my choice in the majority of hunting situations.
For the southeast however, woods are thick, shots are close. The .243 is a lighter weapon with much less felt recoil being used on smaller deer than what is found in most other places(unless you are finding red stag in Miss). For SE woods hunting, I would find a .243 the better choice and more than adequate to down whitetail and feral hog at normal shooting distances.
I would never choose a .243 for most of the hunting I did in Utah although it is a sweet pronghorn load. I couldn't choose the .243 here in Iowa. This is a straight wall cartridge state (dumbest thing ever, but I do have a .350 Legend and these whitetail are huuuuuuge).
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 9:14 am
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:12 am to UtahCajun
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Ialso wish these southern hunters would tell us the range at which they shot their game. Average shot on game in the southeast is between 50 and 70 yards.
You do realize that longer distance with expanding ammunition increases the chance of pass through without expansion?
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:13 am to Diamondawg
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I got out of this debate long ago and don't know why I re-entered but have they mentioned possible reloaded cartridges. Possible to have powdered down a reload and then all ballistic product information is out the window.
It was his grandpa's gun so the ammo was probably his too and old and not stored in a dry box. We all know gunpowder inside ammo degrades with age. I am curious about the manufacture date on the ammo and how it was stored.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:14 am to rooster108bm
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You do realize that longer distance with expanding ammunition increases the chance of pass through without expansion
Not so much with the older, non-bonded bullet design we are talking about and the distance CK was killed at....
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 9:15 am
Posted on 7/10/26 at 9:22 am to stout
quote:good point
It was his grandpa's gun so the ammo was probably his too and old and not stored in a dry box. We all know gunpowder inside ammo degrades with age. I am curious about the manufacture date on the ammo and how it was stored.
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