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re: Trump Claims to Have Opposed 2003 Iraq - How Did He Fall Into the Same Trap?

Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:34 am to
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:34 am to
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Why not answer the question?


Deflections are mandatory. Make it about the poster instead of the topic.

The folks that claim to hate derailing and name calling sure seem to do those things quite often.
Posted by Nosevens
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:44 am to
How do you solve a problem by taking away their dangerous toys and allowing them to get more? Would you take away broken glass from a child and just put it off to the side then walk out the room? Either they get a civil war or some kind of coup that republican guards are totally wiped out, which I doubt as they have 3 generations of people their now, or eventually this gets solved by one of two ways, bots on the ground or a parking lot party.
Posted by OccamsStubble
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 7:52 am to
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How do you solve a problem by taking away their dangerous toys and allowing them to get more? Would you take away broken glass from a child and just put it off to the side then walk out the room? Either they get a civil war or some kind of coup that republican guards are totally wiped out, which I doubt as they have 3 generations of people their now, or eventually this gets solved by one of two ways, bots on the ground or a parking lot party.


We’ve thwarted their nuclear efforts in a dozen different ways for three decades, we could keep doing that. It was working.

Or we can print money and do the full blown at Israel’s direction, spending ourselves out of existence. Exactly like Russia did in Afghanistan
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:22 am to
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Trump Claims to Have Opposed 2003 Iraq - How Did He Fall Into the Same Trap?


Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:26 am to
Thwarted to what extent? Has it stopped? Has American interests been affected ? Have they played nice and shared ? Or has it grown larger and stronger since appeasement happened ? This is not giving them blankets and colorful trinkets moment and this debt of 40 trillion is self inflicted by mostly domestic bullshite. It’s from appeasement on a national level to those who have the abilities but refuse to use them and the politicians who vote to get themselves reelected.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:27 am to
The WMD were real this time. We’d all be dead now if it weren’t for DJT
Posted by alabamabuckeye
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:41 am to
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:42 am to
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The WMD were real this time. We’d all be dead now if it weren’t for DJT


Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:49 am to
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How Did He Fall Into the Same Trap?



Not too far fetched to imagine intel and military guys, full hold overs from the Deep State who tried to take him down with the Steele Dossier, feeding Trump and his advisors all sorts of exaggerated intel on how weak Iran was, how close to the brink the country was to revolution, and that it would be easy to topple them with just targeted strikes, requiring no boots on the ground forces. It would be an easy sell.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:51 am to
Iran told us they had the big one!
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 8:59 am to
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Not too far fetched to imagine intel and military guys, full hold overs from the Deep State who tried to take him down with the Steele Dossier, feeding Trump and his advisors all sorts of exaggerated intel on how weak Iran was, how close to the brink the country was to revolution, and that it would be easy to topple them with just targeted strikes, requiring no boots on the ground forces. It would be an easy sell.
The exact opposite happened. Everyone from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to JD Vance told Trump this was a bad idea, but Trump was convinced it would work out "because it always does."

Trump was some combination of too taken in by Netanyahu and too overconfident from how well the operation in Venezuela had gone.
Posted by GeorgePaton
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Member since May 2017
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:00 am to
President Trump has access to intelligence that we do not have. It's no secret Iran was attempting to acquire nuclear bomb capability. And an Islamic Iran with a nuke, is NOT a good thing for the world.

For 47 years Iran has been at the forefront of sponsoring Islamic terror all over the world. Plus Islam declared war on America on 9/11/01. Repeat after me........Islam is at war with America.

Previous administrations have simply kicked the can down the road. Barook Hussein Obama (the first muslim President) simply decided to pay off the Iranians with pallets of cash. His pal Joe Biden continued the policy with an additional $ 2.7 billion dollars. Iran used the money to buy more centrifuges to produce more weapons grade uranium.

IMO President Trump really had no choice. Nobody, and I mean nobody wanted to face the Iranians head on and tell them - we're not going to let you acquire nuclear bomb capability.

I repeat - a radical Islamic regime armed with a nuclear bomb is not good.

President Trump is right about...........everything.
This post was edited on 9/20/26 at 9:02 am
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
67305 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:01 am to
Trap? What trap? Like with Iraq, our slimy government wanted to go to war for Israel and they made up some bullshite to justify it.

I keep trying to explain this to people. You don't have to be trapped into doing things you want to do.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125823 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:02 am to
Iran was going to take are freedoms just like a year before when Trump wiped out their nuclear capability
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
50151 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:03 am to
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from how well the operation in Venezuela had gone.


Stunning how well that worked .
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10846 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:35 am to
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Thwarted to what extent? Has it stopped? Has American interests been affected ? Have they played nice and shared ? Or has it grown larger and stronger since appeasement happened ? This is not giving them blankets and colorful trinkets moment and this debt of 40 trillion is self inflicted by mostly domestic bullshite.


We spend more on Defense than the COMBINED spending of Russia, China, Germany, UK, India, Saudi Arabia, France, Japan, South Korea, Italy, Israel, Ukraine, Poland. So, no, it is (along with the domestic bullschitt) bankrupting us.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:48 am to
He didn’t, it’s not the same
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
59239 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:48 am to
He always said Iran should not have nukes for decades. Period.

He kept doing these stupid deals with the Iranians, stupid cease fires, and stopped the Israelis from engaging in regime change. In other words, he prolonged it, allowing it to fester. Now we have the Houthis cutting off the other strait and we will have to do something . If we are smart, we will tell the Saudis to ally with Israel . Then allow the two countries to drive the Houthis back.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
23324 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:53 am to
It’s not a failure yet you f tool
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20707 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:02 am to
“We spend more on Defense than the COMBINED spending of“

This part is for domestic security mostly as it’s been well argued the a peacefulness comes with strength. That we find ourselves in foreign countries is better than dealing with some Wolverine raids because we forget to lock the doors. If anything the Biden years of border insecurities has exposed this
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