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re: Trump Claims to Have Opposed 2003 Iraq - How Did He Fall Into the Same Trap?

Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:08 am to
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3947 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:08 am to
The neocons won. As soon as he started cozying up to Graham and Rubio and fighting against paleocons like Massie and Paul, the writing was on the wall.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10846 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:51 am to
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This part is for domestic security mostly as it’s been well argued the a peacefulness comes with strength. That we find ourselves in foreign countries is better than dealing with some Wolverine raids because we forget to lock the doors. If anything the Biden years of border insecurities has exposed this


Peace came with strength in the USSR until they got involved in a decade long war in Afghanistan and spent themselves into collapse.

Is there a point in time where you will say “OK that’s enough we have to change”? 50 Trillion in debt? 80T?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70725 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:56 am to
Miriam and Bibi.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
83099 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:57 am to
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Fair enough, but loyalty to the man over ideals permeates through this presidency to a degree not seen since this Country’s founding.



You literally only have to go back 10 years to see an even more cultish phenomenon.

O took us from 2 wars to 7, bailed out the Wall Street fat cats who caused the financial meltdown, maintained a revolving door between his Treasury Department and the Citi boardroom, and gave us an absolute disaster of a healthcare "reform".
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
90460 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 10:58 am to
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Please, can you come close to explaining how Iraq 2003 and Iran 2026 beatdowns are similar or the same?


they seem to be opposites to me
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 9/20/26 at 11:02 am to
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Peace came with strength in the USSR until they got involved in a decade long war in Afghanistan and spent themselves into collapse.


the Russians occupied Afghanistan, the US does not have a single soldier on the ground in iran

Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
26895 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 11:12 am to
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Republicans can’t help themselves when it comes to the Middle East.




You obviously applauded the systematic dissolution of our southern border, begged multinational climate summits to dictate our domestic energy consumption, and laughed as your democratic party leader drained the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve to mask his domestic inflation. Your outrage reveals the terror of the parasitic managerial class, of which you belong, watching hard power dismantle your utopian illusions. After the current adventure in Iran, well,




IT Will Be GLORIOUS!!
Posted by JLivermore
Wendover
Member since Dec 2015
1760 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 11:13 am to
Iran has capitalized on our political fear and history (Iraq) of putting boots on the ground in the ME.

We can’t put troops on the ground unless we are attacked. Troops on the ground without a domestic attack, and you get politically obliterated. An attack on Israel (Oct 7) ain’t gonna cut it w the American people.

The next conflict w Iran will prob start with a dirty bomb on US soil.





Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10846 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 11:45 am to
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Peace came with strength in the USSR until they got involved in a decade long war in Afghanistan and spent themselves into collapse.

the Russians occupied Afghanistan, the US does not have a single soldier on the ground in iran


One of these is critical to building debt:
Boots on the ground
Printing and spending
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20707 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 12:11 pm to
We are past the part of fixing as true debt on commitments, way over 100 trillion, has far exceeded any capacity to meet in any global financial context. It’s monopoly capitalism at this point. Continuing to allow there be free riders needs to end yesterday no so much because of costs but because the add nothing. We don’t need to build Iraq, Somalia or any other nation but we can’t let something that effects global economic instability either, not because we need to police but because of capitulations that can happen before we have solid footing. Europe is basically lost until a civil war ensues against the 3 world inhabitants so we need security around us, Greenland for instance. South of USA needs cleansing by its citizens with our help obviously because it is in our interests but no rebuilding. We need 20 years of strong leadership in presidencies
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
3423 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 1:12 pm to
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SoFlaGuy
But MuH BiDeN!

Thank you for making my point.
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