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re: To the "do not get involved crowd" what about this scenario since you like to play what if
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:57 pm to sidewalkside
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:57 pm to sidewalkside
It’s not about nukes.
It’s about Israel wanting to dethrone every country deemed a threat.
Libya, Iraq, Syria, Gaza (territory) etc.
I’m not a fan of Iran or their government.
But doing this again is going to create a vacuum that will only be filled by just as bad if not worse individuals.
Iran is bigger, with mountainous terrain.
Speaking of nukes, the country that will likely use a nuke before anyone is Israel btw.
It’s about Israel wanting to dethrone every country deemed a threat.
Libya, Iraq, Syria, Gaza (territory) etc.
I’m not a fan of Iran or their government.
But doing this again is going to create a vacuum that will only be filled by just as bad if not worse individuals.
Iran is bigger, with mountainous terrain.
Speaking of nukes, the country that will likely use a nuke before anyone is Israel btw.
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:24 pm to sidewalkside
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Say we do nothing.
And eventually Iran develops a nuclear bomb(s)
Then they decide to give it to one of their many terrorist extreme proxies to use on whoever they want/can.
Iran can say "it wasn't us" and we'd still have no supposed justification to bomb their nuclear sites because they didn't do it
I've been hearing, endlessly since the GWB administration, that "Iran is merely months/weeks from having a nuclear weapon!" 20 years I've been hearing it. And they don't have a nuclear weapon, likely because the see eye A and Israel have infiltrated them so deeply and actively subverted any attempts that may have been made to achieve what may or may not have been a goal.
I was fooled by the "Iraq/Hussein WMD" reports that somehow landed us in a forever-war in Afghanistan, so my skepticism is pretty high when the IC and media make such bold and foaming proclamations.
That's where I'm at.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:44 pm to sidewalkside
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Then they decide to give it to one of their many terrorist extreme proxies to use on whoever they want/can.
You mean like the USA already did? We are still the only country recorded to have "lost" a nuke.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:50 pm to sidewalkside
What if
What if
What if
Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis certainly couldn't develop a nuclear weapon on their own. If their subsidiaries detonate a nuclear weapon, it immediately points back to parent company Iran and Iran subsequently gets wiped off the face of the earth with the full endorsement of the United States. I don't think thats something Iran wants, do you?
All this nuclear fear mongering and the irony remains that there's only been one nation crazed enough to drop nuclear weapons in the history of mankind and it was us.
What if
What if
Hamas, Hezbollah or the Houthis certainly couldn't develop a nuclear weapon on their own. If their subsidiaries detonate a nuclear weapon, it immediately points back to parent company Iran and Iran subsequently gets wiped off the face of the earth with the full endorsement of the United States. I don't think thats something Iran wants, do you?
All this nuclear fear mongering and the irony remains that there's only been one nation crazed enough to drop nuclear weapons in the history of mankind and it was us.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:53 pm to sidewalkside
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Say we do nothing.
People think that doing nothing has no cost.
There is a price for doing nothing, it's not free.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:55 pm to VOR
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That’s always been my biggest worry. A device in the hands of a group of extremist nuts.
Who could just use an app and claim asylum in the us.
How awesome.
At least we agree on Iran.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:57 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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All this nuclear fear mongering and the irony remains that there's only been one nation crazed enough to drop nuclear weapons in the history of mankind and it was us.
Just to play devils advocate.
We have also been trying to stop people from having nukes since then.
What if we didn’t?
I don’t know the answer to that, and you don’t either.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:36 pm to lepdagod
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Isn’t that possible??
only if they accidentally blow themselves off the face of the earth -
I'd rather make sure the face of the earth gets cleansed on our own terms rather than hope for a lab mistake.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:44 pm to lepdagod
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Say we do nothing
And Iran doesn’t develop a nuclear bomb.. like the last 46 years
Isn’t that possible??
Sure, as long as Isreal keeps blowing up centrifuges, sending viruses, and killing their scientists.
You can't just say "Iran won't get a nuke because they haven't done it before" without mentioning all the reasons why they haven't accomplished it yet.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:52 pm to Purple Spoon
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Its a fair point. Nobody wants a country with a history of sponsoring terrorism to have nukes.
Pakistan has nukes. We didn't invade them and it should be obvious to anyone that Sunni fundamentalists are FAR worse and more dangerous to the west than the Shia Muslims of Iran.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:54 pm to VOR
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That’s always been my biggest worry. A device in the hands of a group of extremist nuts.
Who are you, and what did you do with VOR??
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:59 pm to sidewalkside
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Iran can say "it wasn't us" and we'd still have no supposed justification to bomb their nuclear sites because they didn't do it
Which one of these justifications do you think is flimsier:
1) We're bombing them because we believe they were behind this horrific attack.
2) We're bombing them because we believe they might do something horrific in the future.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 5:00 pm to sidewalkside
Congress is given the authority by the Constitution to allow for such contingencies.
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:03 pm to sidewalkside
quote:
Say we do nothing.
And eventually Iran develops a nuclear bomb(s)
Then they decide to give it to one of their many terrorist extreme proxies to use on whoever they want/can.
Iran can say "it wasn't us" and we'd still have no supposed justification to bomb their nuclear sites because they didn't do it
Say an Israeli fighter crashes and some locals hijack its payload. It's used to make the dirty bomb you're talking about that it set off by one of the groups trying to get the nuclear superpowers to fight each other. They trace the origins of the nuke to K-Reactor at Savannah River Site. Morgan Freeman dies in a helicopter crash from the shockwave when the nuke goes off.
Lots of what ifs.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:04 pm to sidewalkside
You guys hear that? 2003 is knocking…
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:30 pm to sidewalkside
And what if the use cartels to smuggle the bomb in the US. We should go ahead and bomb Mexico too
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:37 pm to sidewalkside
Any nuclear weapon used leaves particles behind unique to the facilities where fuel was enriched. We know the signature of every enrichment facility in the world. Theres no way to hide it and say “It wasn’t us!”. If an Iranian proxy used that weapon, Iran would get nuked in return..
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