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re: Things Aren't Looking Great For Trump In Supreme Court Tariff Arguments
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:24 pm to Bama Mountain
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:24 pm to Bama Mountain
Good question
Why would the EU or anyone else sign a deal when the leverage the US had is almost all gone?
Why would the EU or anyone else sign a deal when the leverage the US had is almost all gone?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Another potential tool the Trump administration could utilize is Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930. The statute allows for the imposition of tariffs of up to 50% via presidential proclamation in response to discrimination by another country against U.S. commerce. The president also has the power to revoke and amend any tariffs implemented.
However, this provision has not been used since the 1940s and could face pushback from the World Trade Organization, according to Schaefer. However, due to the current lack of a WTO appellate body, the U.S. could appeal any panel review decision “into oblivion,” he added.
Trump will use section 338 in a heartbeat, buy the dip if this round goes against Trump.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:41 pm to JimEverett
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Why would the EU or anyone else sign a deal when the leverage the US had is almost all gone?
Yup.
I am involved in a very small part of the EU side of the deal and we are not sure what happens next. The public part of the deal was already deliberately vague and largely unenforceable.
I listened to the stream off and on this morning and exchanged emails with our global policy folks over in Europe. We are not sure what we are going to do.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:46 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
In the corrupt mind of John Roberts everything is a tax, even Obamacare was a tax.
These arrogant legal SCOTUS judges are either so stuck in an ideological distortion or so disconnected from the reality of ordinary people they simply cannot make a logical just ruling on anything.
Mark my words, these SCOTUS Judges will rule against President Trump's effort to replace confiscatory taxes with tariffs. They want us grunts to pay confiscatory income taxes - 53% pay for the other 47% to get free stuff.
President Trump is right about..........everything.
These arrogant legal SCOTUS judges are either so stuck in an ideological distortion or so disconnected from the reality of ordinary people they simply cannot make a logical just ruling on anything.
Mark my words, these SCOTUS Judges will rule against President Trump's effort to replace confiscatory taxes with tariffs. They want us grunts to pay confiscatory income taxes - 53% pay for the other 47% to get free stuff.
President Trump is right about..........everything.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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Further, under the Trade Act of 1974, Congress ceded authority for the EB to identify foreign trade practices that are unfair, discriminatory or burden U.S. commerce, and then impose retaliatory tariffs on parties involved.
Staying out of the shite slinging ….. this seems pretty clear and was passed by Congress. Why would it not apply in the case of these tariffs?
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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A short time ago, I arrived back at @USTreasury after watching arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA).
U.S. Solicitor General D. John Sauer presented strong, persuasive arguments on the necessity of using IEEPA tariff authority to confront the emergencies President Trump has declared.
More importantly, the plaintiffs’ attorneys, Neal Katyal and Benjamin Gutman, espoused arguments that reflected foundational misunderstandings and misrepresentations about the Trump Administration’s trade goals.
Using IEEPA, President Trump has sought to rebalance decades of unfair trade against the United States that has brought us to a tipping point. The goal of his agenda is bringing back manufacturing and balancing the crisis-level deficits and trade barriers with our global trading partners.
The tariff income is incidental to these urgent goals – not the underlying reason for their application. In fact, as I have said many times, as the terms of trade are made more fair, U.S. manufactured items will replace imported goods. Tariff revenues will shrink, and U.S. domestic tax receipts will surge.
Showing their dramatic lack of economic understanding, Messrs. Katyal and Gutman argued that a President does have the authority to impose an embargo or quotas on other countries because those actions do not affect government revenues. Of course, they do. What embarrassing statements to make in front of SCOTUS.
Furthermore, in a statement bordering on the absurd, Oregon Solicitor General Gutman said that he believes IEEPA gives POTUS authority to impose a full embargo on a country but not a 1% tariff.
President Trump has used the IEEPA authority to address the fentanyl crisis, bring us back from the edge on trade policy, secure rare earths from China, and curtail the purchases of Russian oil – all urgent national security issues.
Economic Security is National Security, and IEEPA provides a powerful tool for President Trump to protect our people, our economy, and our nation.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:20 pm to hawgfaninc
If they slap the tariffs down I hope Trump imposes embargos on China or anyone that reneges on already decided trade deals.
Also does such a ruling negate trade deals that set a certain tariff rate? If say the UK agrees to a 10% tariff rate would the Supreme Court ruling negate that agreement since Congress didn’t pass that tariff? That’s absurd and it basically says that the president cannot negotiate international trade at all
Also does such a ruling negate trade deals that set a certain tariff rate? If say the UK agrees to a 10% tariff rate would the Supreme Court ruling negate that agreement since Congress didn’t pass that tariff? That’s absurd and it basically says that the president cannot negotiate international trade at all
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:27 pm to hawgfaninc
How many of the reporters that had the headlines Trump BLOODBATH at SCOTUS on Tariffs ready to roll listened to the oral arguments. Because Gorsuch asked some pointed questions it is DOOM.
Democrats are bragging that they will use this (as they have no ideas or sound policies)
Language, verbiage can be changed to remedy.
SFP and Roge are doom troll posters. Ignore them.
Democrats are bragging that they will use this (as they have no ideas or sound policies)
Language, verbiage can be changed to remedy.
SFP and Roge are doom troll posters. Ignore them.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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He's cited several, not the least of which is the IEEPA
No. His tariffs are specifically under the IEEPA.
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under the Trade Act of 1974,
I do not think that has any relation to this litigation.
That's a fallback if they lose and start the process all over again.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:34 pm to QboveTopSecret
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supply chain dive
Trump has already won.
To use that statute, they'll have to start all over again
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:40 pm to SquatchDawg
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this seems pretty clear and was passed by Congress. Why would it not apply in the case of these tariffs?
The choice of the administration
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President Donald J. Trump Declares National Emergency to Increase our Competitive Edge, Protect our Sovereignty, and Strengthen our National and Economic Security
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President Trump is invoking his authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) to address the national emergency posed by the large and persistent trade deficit that is driven by the absence of reciprocity in our trade relationships and other harmful policies like currency manipulation and exorbitant value-added taxes (VAT) perpetuated by other countries.
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Using his IEEPA authority, President Trump will impose a 10% tariff on all countries
What is not included: references or invocation of the Trade Act of 1974.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:42 pm to GeorgePaton
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Mark my words, these SCOTUS Judges will rule against President Trump's effort to replace confiscatory taxes with tariffs.
You may want to tell Scott Bessent this, as he stated this earlier today:
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The goal of his agenda is bringing back manufacturing and balancing the crisis-level deficits and trade barriers with our global trading partners.
The tariff income is incidental to these urgent goals – not the underlying reason for their application. In fact, as I have said many times, as the terms of trade are made more fair, U.S. manufactured items will replace imported goods. Tariff revenues will shrink, and U.S. domestic tax receipts will surge.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:44 pm to hawgfaninc
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The goal of his agenda is bringing back manufacturing and balancing the crisis-level deficits and trade barriers with our global trading partners.
The tariff income is incidental to these urgent goals – not the underlying reason for their application. In fact, as I have said many times, as the terms of trade are made more fair, U.S. manufactured items will replace imported goods. Tariff revenues will shrink, and U.S. domestic tax receipts will surge.
So after 6+ months, the admin FINALLY takes a position on the goal of these tariffs.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 5:51 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Trump just needs to declare a MEOW (moral equivalent of war) like Carter did in the 70's and he can keep kicking this can down the road under his executive powers till at least the midterms. Tariffs will stay in place 1 way or the other for at least the next year, longer if the Dems can't flip Congress.
The irony here is that we need to thank the 2nd worst president in history (Potato takes that distinct honor) and a redneck Georgian Dem for his use of a MEOW and making it precedent. Thank you Dems, it ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun!
The irony here is that we need to thank the 2nd worst president in history (Potato takes that distinct honor) and a redneck Georgian Dem for his use of a MEOW and making it precedent. Thank you Dems, it ain't fun when the rabbit got the gun!
Posted on 11/5/25 at 6:08 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
SCOTUS is going to punch Trump in the ballzz on tariffs.
This post was edited on 11/5/25 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 11/5/25 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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To use that statute, they'll have to start all over again
It will be done in less than a week along with wholesale import bans, from certain countries.
By the way the Darrien gap has been secured, and under constant patrol. Great man of Genius.
New word for the day for the Jesuit agents, MARSOC.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:03 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Trump probably loses 7-2 or 6-3
Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:04 pm to prplhze2000
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Trump probably loses 7-2 or 6-3
That's what I think, too.
Punched in the ballzz.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 7:15 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Coney Barrett asked tough questions
That means, if we're going on past history, that they're siding with Trump.
Regardless of wondering and guessing - I can state w/ 100% certainty who will be voting against Trump - A wise Latina, and a biology professor -- both DEI hires who shouldn't be allowed to clerk for a Justice, much less, having ben appointed one.
Posted on 11/5/25 at 8:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Prove it. Prove that the most capitalist man on the planet is trying to have govt take over all private industry. Not just govt buying a few paltry stocks. I mean full takeover of the country. True fascism
Both are parts of his comprehensive collectivist/redistribution strategy
Prove that without resorting to emotional teenage girl drama
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