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re: Things Aren't Looking Great For Trump In Supreme Court Tariff Arguments

Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:34 pm to
FYI that guy is off his rocker
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:34 pm to
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Companies making import deals dont want tariffs, unless they are "too big to fail."
No one is arguing this point genius

I've already explained this to you multiple times but you're too thickheaded to understand
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:35 pm to
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I've already explained this to you multiple times
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:36 pm to
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Apparently SCOTUS thinks it's debatable



That isn't even remotely what the Supreme Court is discussing.

They are discussing whether the IPPEA does. An Act of Congress.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:37 pm to
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The term youre looking for is "heavily subsidizes."
No, OWN. It is a yes or no question. It completely obliterates your idiotic false equivocation. Do you know what country TSMC is headquartered? IT'S NOT EVEN AMERICAN

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Trumps having the US buy stock in Intel is socialist
You are dense. We've already covered this. That is a different topic than the tariffs genius. OMG
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:37 pm to
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Trumps having the US buy stock in Intel is socialist
You are dense. We've already covered this.


Its socialist.

So are you, for supporting it.

Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:38 pm to
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How can he impose the tariffs he is imposing...Constitutionally?
Ask SCOTUS
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:38 pm to
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Do you support the trump administration buying 10% stock in Intel?
What does that have to do with tariffs???? NOTHING
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:39 pm to
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What does that have to do with tariffs???? NOTHING



Both are parts of his comprehensive collectivist/redistribution strategy.

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130247 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:41 pm to
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Ask SCOTUS



This is pointless.

Scotus is discussing whether the IPPEA gives him authority to do so. He does not have it unilaterally, Congress has to cede it to him through an Act

Which is why its in Scotus, it is highly debatable whether it does or not
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:43 pm to
I am seeing democrats and neverTrumpers (one in the same at this point) say SCOTUS won't rule until early 2026. So the goal is for them to say oral arguments were a bloodbath (As Slate just fired off like the headline was readied)

I am also hearing an EO changing wording.

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I am also seeing chantards that posted ignorantly 11/5 like the decision would happen today and be some Q prediction.

Why can't we have nice things?
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2402 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:49 pm to
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You appear to be confused about what the argument was about today. It was not if tariffs are affective economic policy. The dispute was about if the executive branch can use IEEPA to unilaterally set tariffs on imports from over 100 countries.

I listened to the arguments off and on through the morning and it seems pretty clear that a majority of the justices think Trump's actions were unconstitutional.

I think we can all agree that the President, regardless of his party, should not get a pass when he issues orders that are clearly unconstitutional.


I might be overly pedantic here - but the Administration is not arguing that the President has the Constitutional power to set tariffs. The Administration admits it does not have that power. So why are you and others saying the tariffs are "unconstitutional"? The issue is whether Congress gave the power to tariff to the Executive in certain situations and whether those situations exist.

it is a question of statutory interpretation - not a question of Constitutional law.

Or am I missing something?
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:52 pm to
Here, here, BoomerBarbie!

President Trump is living proof of how it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a President who did not come from within the ranks of the corrupt Political Establishment to get things done. It's because there are too many DUMMIES who dont understand that he is still surrounded on all sides by the corrupt system. Congress, rogue judges, unelected fat-cat bureaucrats, the corrupt, bought-and-paid-for corporate media, etc.

It's like they think he has a magic wand and can fix every problem the Political Establishment has created over the past 70 years in 6 months.

"We have met theenemy, and he is us."
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3681 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:56 pm to
I always ask tough questions. Why wouldn’t the scotus?
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
210 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:57 pm to
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it is a question of statutory interpretation - not a question of Constitutional law.


Its kind of a mix. If the statute does not give POTUS authority to enact the tariffs, then he is acting outside the scope of his Constitutional powers, and the tariffs are illegal.

But also, Constitutional interpretation governs how far Congress can go in delegating its powers to POTUS without violating Constitutional Separation of Power.
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3495 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 3:58 pm to

Section 301 was designed to eliminate unfair foreign trade practices that adversely affect U.S. trade and investment in both goods and services. Under Section 301, the President must determine whether the alleged practices are unjustifiable, unreasonable, or discriminatory and burden or restrict U.S. commerce. If the President determines that action is necessary, the law directs that all appropriate and feasible action within the President's power should be taken to secure the elimination of the practice.

Congress has already given the president the authority. Others can be invoked as well.

Similar to Section 232, tariffs enacted through Section 301 investigations have previously received judicial backing. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in September upheld Trump’s use of Section 301 to impose tariffs during his first term.

Given such precedent for Section 232 and Section 301, there is reason to believe the Trump administration will be even more aggressive in pursuing such avenues for new tariffs.

“I think initially I would expect to see more heavy reliance on Section 232 and 301,” said Kelsey Christensen, an international trade attorney at Clark Hill.
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
5047 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:00 pm to
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We are in this dire situation where manufacturing needs to return to domestic shores.


By what metric? What economic indicator is telling you that manufacturing returning to our shores is some great, national emergency?

Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3495 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:01 pm to
supply chain dive

Trump has already won.
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:20 pm to
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it is a question of statutory interpretation - not a question of Constitutional law.

Or am I missing something?


It sems to be a bit of both but I think you are right about it being more about statutory interpretation SCOTUSBLOG had a pretty good overview

My big question is what happens to all the trade deals now? Very few of them were actually signed and many of them, like the EU-US have a lot of elements that are non-tariff related. Do these deals that never really happened, just die?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299445 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 4:22 pm to
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The administration has argued that the president’s utilization of IEEPA to impose tariffs is justified due to national emergencies Trump has declared related to trade deficits and fentanyl trafficking.


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