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re: There is a full on insurgency in Mexico extremely close to our borders

Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:25 pm to
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:25 pm to
if they let us make our own drugs this shite would go away.

There are no cigarette or whisky cartels.
Posted by The Eric
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:26 pm to
Any way we can get picks of Lauren?

Also Lauren’s mom.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:29 pm to
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Are you well traveled?


Extremely. I’ve been to I think 24 different countries but if you exclude doing things related to when I was in the military like travel, deployments, training, etc and just travel me and my wife have done since high school I’ve been to 11. Idk what that has to do with any of my points or arguments though.


Other than that really good post
Posted by Ailsa
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:29 pm to
I said cease as in there needs to be some sort of cutoff advising our citizens that this is no longer a safe destination y’all need to quit going there or else we cannot further protect you
Posted by bgtiger
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:30 pm to
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And you’re comfortable taking this risk? What will you say or tell the peoples families who will be brutally killed if and when it does cross over?


We protect our borders. That's it.
Posted by cornerstore
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:37 pm to
Stay the frick away from Americans. If you kill one, your time on this earth will be over.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:37 pm to
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Nah, let them kill each other as long as it doesnt spill over


Listening to a guy on the radio this morning. He said the cartels put many, many bad (cartel) hombres in our country during the Biden years. If we are seen to be helping them, it is likely we will have some kickback in our country. I believe Mexico is so corrupt, the good guys will be finished in short order.

AI tells us this:
As of early 2026, the drug cartel business in Mexico has evolved into a massive, diversified "shadow economy" that functions as the country’s fifth-largest employer, with roughly 175,000 active members. These criminal organizations, led primarily by the Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel (CJNG), control roughly one-third of Mexican territory, operating not just as traffickers but as quasi-governmental forces involved in extortion, legal agriculture, and high-tech weaponry.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 1:40 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:38 pm to
We provided the intelligence that led to the death of the leader of new generation cartel that kicked all this off.

If they had the inclination or balls for that now would be the time. I dont think itll happen. This aint mexico
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:38 pm to
Mexico is a fairly large and spread out country.

It would not be surprising much less worth commenting about someone that lives somewhere in Mexico feeling like they are safe.

It seems like the trouble is rather restricted to one region of the country.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:41 pm to
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As long as it doesn’t spill over? So Americans won’t die until it spills over?


What’s going on I should be worried about? Things seem kind of quiet here on the North Shore.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 1:42 pm
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:43 pm to
Im not saying you think this way in particular or calling you out but this kind of general thinking is a major problem in our society. It is a by product of extreme liberalism. The individual is all that matters, if it isnt effecting me it isnt real, my fellow americans who live in south texas new mexico and Arizona are not worthy of any consideration at all. Etc etc
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:47 pm to
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It seems like the trouble is rather restricted to one region of the country.


As I posted above, the drug cartels are a multi-billion dollar enterprise. They are more diversified than just selling drugs. But come on, think about it. They derive most all of their revenue from the United States.
AI says:

It is estimated that Mexican drug cartels derive a massive portion of their revenue—often estimated in the tens of billions of dollars annually—from the United States, driven by high demand for illicit drugs and, increasingly, human smuggling. While exact figures are impossible to calculate due to the clandestine nature of the business, various estimates from law enforcement and intelligence agencies suggest that the U.S. market is the primary source of income for these organizations.

We are involved. In fact it is reasonable to assume some of their revenue finds its way into the pockets of US citizens. Maybe a lot of citizens and politicians and such.
Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:50 pm to
Their biggest proportional revenue likely comes from the US, although I would like to see how that has been impacted since trump shut the border down and the water shipping lanes. They derive a very large amount from europe though in particular France
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:52 pm to
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Yeah you replied to the post that included literally all the extra context about how much more help Mexico would need

And you're ignoring how I said that's irrelevant in an El Salvador model

And the "more help" scenario = another Afghanistan, basically. Forever war that can't be won.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:54 pm to
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We provided the intelligence that led to the death of the leader of new generation cartel that kicked all this off.

And you're about to see that someone else is just going to take over.

Posted by td01241
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 1:57 pm to
I am not ignoring it I am literally saying that youre correct its not a 1 to 1 with El Sal I was clear on that from the beginning.

quote:

And the "more help" scenario = another Afghanistan, basically. Forever war that can't be won.


I disagree with this completely, and this isnt me advocating for doing it at this point im not swayed either way, there is a profound difference in naval and air assets and JSOC operations and sending in the 101st and the 10th mountain though. It is 2 totally diametrically opposed ways of conducting military force.

IF you consider us using our navy and air force and joint special operations to conduct kinetic operations I have bad news you for you we are in a forever war right now. Have been for decades and will continue to be.

This is what I mean when I say some of you guys have gone so far in the other direction post iraq and afghanistan (two wars I fought in and agree were bogus) many of you cant see or even believe theres any case ever for use of military force in any capacity
Posted by PrattvilleTiger
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:08 pm to
I've been to Mexico City and Puerto Vallarta numerous times. I felt safer in those cities than I felt in Atlanta, New Orleans, NYC and other places in the US. I had a gun pulled on me in Baltimore and was told to get my "cracka @ss" out of the city. I also was shown a gun and told to get my white @ss out of Ensley, Al, suburb of Birmingham, (I took a wrong turn off an interstate exit).
I have numerous close Mexican friends. They all say the same thing. If you don't F with the cartels, they won't F with you. I'm planning on going to Mexico City in May. I'll love every minute of it. That city is better than most American large cities.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:09 pm to
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I have no idea what's going on anywhere


Truest thing you’ve ever said.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 2:10 pm to
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This is what I mean when I say some of you guys have gone so far in the other direction post iraq and afghanistan (two wars I fought in and agree were bogus) many of you cant see or even believe theres any case ever for use of military force in any capacity


This is not Iran or even Venezuela.

This is similar to Iraq/Afghanistan. You have an enemy population that blends as civilians, sympathetic local civilian populations, corrupt local institutions who work with the enemy, organizations that are self-funding, organizations located in rough/remote terrain, and an enemy that is not organization-reliant (so "kill the head" won't work and will just spawn new groups, like terror cells).
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