re: There are a lot of "conservatives" who want to end the MAGA/America First Populism.

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Reduction in government spending.

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Except that’s not true, not even remotely. Trump being our only example of a "MAGA/America First" however you’d even like to define that he gives our only example to base it on, but spending increased during his term and coupled with tax cuts the deficit ballooned massively. Trump cut small departments and made a big show of it causing people to celebrate him as being fiscally conservative and an example of why it’s important to have a businessman running the country, but the reality is he had no problem spending massive amounts and even worse simply putting it on our children’s credit card to pay for.

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President Trump signed legislation and approved executive actions costing $7.8 trillion over the decade—compared to $5.0 trillion for President Obama and $6.9 trillion for President Bush, and he enacted these costs in just a single four-year presidential term, compared to his predecessors’ eight years in the Oval Office. The largest drivers were pandemic relief legislation ($3.9 trillion), the 2017 tax cuts ($2.0 trillion), and legislation raising the discretionary spending caps ($1.6 trillion).

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During President Trump’s four years in office, he signed legislation (and issued executive orders) that cumulatively added $7,787 billion to 10-year deficits. His policies reduced tax revenues by $2,098 billion, increased spending by $4,912 billion, and added $777 billion in interest costs.[7]

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Anybody can have conservative principles, but that doesn't make them a conservative. Blue dog democrats have some conservative principles, but they are not conservatives

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This brings us right back to that ubiquitous issue that was actually the subject of a thread tonight - an issue that in all likelihood has the ability to change whole perspectives, depending on the level of thought applied: “What is the ‘definitive’ definition of ‘a’ conservative?” And then how unlikely it is to come to any real consensus on it. I would venture to say that the definition you have in mind is quite likely to be different than mine and probably most everyone else, to one degree or another. So your assertion in this particular case more qualifies as an opinion rather than inarguable fact.

I’m not dismissing your opinion out of hand, but I do disagree. In my opinion there are probably a hundred different ways to qualify as both populist and conservative. As always, it’s more complicated than it’s not.

not corrupt.......I like that description

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We need to get rid of the establishment, pro-McCarthy, pro-Ryan types like Trump.

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LOL.

Without Trump, there is no anti-establishment movement. The "real conservatives" are all McCarthy, McCain, McConnell, Ryan fanboys.

Trump endorsed McCarthy because he was the best we were gonna get at that time.

Right now, the MAGA movement will probably back Jim Jordan and the "real conservatives" will back Scalise.

I'm retired. but was once a member of the working class, for me I have never and never will want leftist economic policy's much less any of their other shite they spew.

Unions don't give a shite about the workers, all they want is power to control the workers so go frick your self. You don't speak for me

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Because populism is a mob of losers who band together to destroy anyone they perceive as better than them.

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Kind of. That's what Communism is.

Populism, is wanting to see their values reflected in government. Right now, neither left nor right, is very representative of the common man. The government, for all intents and purposes, is bought and paid for by, Wall St.

The biggest issue in America right now is that we have been trained to be consumers of the highest order. Capitalism, for all its benefits, has led to a very debased group of people in this country. Chasing money and "stuff" has created a great big mess. The moral/ethical norms have been worn ragged to make corporations filthy rich.

This is why so many of, "The Common Man" sees itself reflected in a champion of Capitalism, Donald J. Trump. It makes sense really.

That being said, Ted Kaczynski, was probably right about more things than he was wrong. Which may be troubling to a lot of people, but it is what it is.

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Reduction in government spending.

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By any objective measure, the current trajectory is unsustainable. At some point gravity is going to take over and it won’t be a soft landing for any of us.

Yet here is the thing: “spending” is but a symptom of the underlying malady. The sickness unto death is our nation’s print-on-demand monetary system.

Nothing changes until this nation returns to sound monetary policies. The problem here is the UniParty® exists to perpetuate the Deep State over every other consideration and the Deep State exists to perpetuate our nation’s monetary system over every other consideration.

This is why any vote in this UniParty® charade is ultimately a vote between the left or right wing of the Deep State. Once again, some form of populist pushback is the very best outcome we can hope for in this wholly corrupted political environment.

As it stands, you can expect things to get much, much worse before they get better. It indeed increasingly appears the permanent bipartisan elite in the Potomac Beltway would tripwire WWIII to maintain their death-drip on power.

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Whatever the case, it seems the McCarthy imbroglio was the impetus for this new account. If Gaetz’s maneuver did nothing else, it certainly triggered all the right people!

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this seems to be the first time left and right media agree

that is telling

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America First is not about populism, Trump is not about populism. Trump is about ending the worthless corrupt politicians that keep selling this country to the highest bidder and fricking American workers and companies for cheaper labor and production outside of this country. It’s about standing up for Americans and putting Americans first! If you have a problem with that, than you are a ducking idiot of enormous proportions, and no amount of explaining will make a dent on that thick empty dumb brain of yours!!

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