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re: The Viking guy from January 6 has been sentenced to 41 months in prison...

Posted on 11/17/21 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 1:55 pm to
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1/6 suggests it would actually be shockingly easy to take the Capitol. And that’s probably why they’re hammering these protesters.


It’s easy if the Feds want you in the building.

If they don’t, it’s not nearly as easy.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 1:58 pm to
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(c)Whoever corruptly—
(1)alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2)otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.


So when will that be applied to every POS FBI agent who touched muh Russia?
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73482 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 1:59 pm to
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41 months is too much for any non violent offense(s) whether you are black, white, gay or straight, that doesn't involve repeated property crimes over the course of years.

He's being made an example, I don't know why that's difficult to admit.

The legislature is who makes these laws and sets the sentencing guidelines. The government (the Court) is simply following guidelines that were already set long before this guy ever did what he did. If you don't agree with the sentencing guidelines that correspond with certain offenses, fine, just say that. But when you say that his sentence is just the government trying to make an example out of him, then you're just not making any sense are are just simply naïve to what the law provides.

However, I think your actual issue is not with the rule of law, but when people have chosen or not chosen to follow the rule of law. But that's a separate conversation altogether. This guy didn't get "railroaded." He got the minimum sentence based on well-established federal sentencing guidelines. The issue is there are other people who haven't been prosecuted for offenses when they should have been.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110957 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:01 pm to
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This guy didn't get "railroaded." He got the minimum sentence based on well-established federal sentencing guidelines.


What are the other examples of people that have been sentenced under the statute you cited before 1/6?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73482 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:03 pm to
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So you think that the sentencing is appropriate.

I think the sentence is appropriate for the charged and pled to offense, yes. He knew what the sentence was when he agreed to plead guilty.
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A lot of people don’t.

No, a lot of people just think because there are/were other people across the country who weren't prosecuted for things they should have been that it's not fair to prosecute this guy and others for offenses he/they committed. The appropriate response shouldn't be this guy was treated unfairly but rather the federal government and various state governments weren't prosecuting others that should have been. I think everyone should be held accountable for their actions under the laws of this country and laws of the states. That applies to him and everyone else who hasn't been prosecuted.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 2:05 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39859 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:07 pm to
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It’s easy if the Feds want you in the building.
Which is to say...the Feds wanted them in the building?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:15 pm to
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The appropriate response shouldn't be this guy was treated unfairly but rather the federal government and various state governments weren't prosecuting others that should have been.


Those are impossible to separate. If the cop who runs Mayberry only gives tickets to black people who speed and ignores white speeders, those black people aren't being treated fairly. Pointing out "well, they were speeding so they deserve tickets" doesn't change that fact.

Equal protection under the law is important to some of us.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112886 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:22 pm to
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Yeah, goofing on our government is serious shite!

They were just goofing around, guys!
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110957 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:22 pm to
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They were just goofing around, guys!


What do you think they were doing?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128782 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:36 pm to
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Which is to say...the Feds wanted them in the building?


I believe so.

Congress was warned about the event. Declined additional help and security.

Doors were opened and protesters were escorted in.

Not sure what you take away from that other than some government folks wanted some protesters inside the building.
Posted by Grinder
Member since Nov 2007
2685 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:39 pm to
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Congress was warned about the event. Declined additional help and security. Doors were opened and protesters were escorted in. Not sure what you take away from that other than some government folks wanted some protesters inside the building.


If this is true, why did he plead guilty?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28152 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:42 pm to
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If this is true, why did he plead guilty?


Are you trolling or are you really this ignorant about the process?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128782 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:42 pm to
I don’t know. He probably has a lawyer that used to work for FedGov.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15066 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:43 pm to
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If only he had looted Target and set a police station on fire. Then he'd have all charges dropped and given a key to the city.


Or helped create his own little country like in Seattle where you can rape and murder and not allow police or emt to enter and nothing happen…..
Posted by HammerJackFlash
Member since Sep 2018
833 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:43 pm to
That fricker has been proven to be a paid shill. This is just theater.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39687 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:49 pm to
And the treasonous cabal that criminally corrupted our highest Institutions of Law and Justice in order to take a duly elected POTUS out...WALKS!

So how long does our now corrupt 'government' herd cats (formerly known as patriots), and maintain prosperous society? Not long, IMO; beginning to crash already.

The stench of DC reaches to Heaven. I hope to live to see the day that real Justice is served.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
157836 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:50 pm to
I googled SFP

LINK

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128782 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:51 pm to
Chansley’s lawyer

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A founding member of the Board of Directors of the U.S. Chamber Institute for Legal Reform with former U.S. Attorneys General Edwin Meese and Dick Thornburgh


His lawyer also called the J6 protesters “short bus” riders.

I think he didn’t get a very good defense.

The lawyer is from St. Louis and he’s an a-hole.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73482 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:55 pm to
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What are the other examples of people that have been sentenced under the statute you cited before 1/6?



quote:

An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.

The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.

LINK
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476771 posts
Posted on 11/17/21 at 2:57 pm to
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His biggest influence was Jersey and he desperately tried to be just like him. When Jersey adopted alters and went underground, SFP followed the influence of white suburban chicks and drifted back to being an authoritarian.

Speaking of emotional outbursts
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