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re: "The SC got it right per the 14th"
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:50 pm to TigerDCC11
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:50 pm to TigerDCC11
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If it read foreigners and aliens who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers - then you would have a point.
why would he need to mention the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers separately?
They are all foreigners by nature.
If he was listing 3 things the and would go after “aliens.”
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:54 pm to LawTalkingGuy
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He wasn't saying the amendment excluded ALL foreigners and aliens. He clearly said it excluded foreigners who were family members of ambassadors. The children of other "foreigners, aliens" were included as citizens.
As written, you can absolutely read that sentence either way with equal feasibility.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:57 pm to LawTalkingGuy
I guess you never learned learning comprehension. Same education system that has failed you has failed the nation. SMH
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:00 pm to imjustafatkid
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If we don't fix this ruling, that is correct. The last country with any freedom will die within a generation.
I'm not arguing that the correct ruling was made...that's not what this post is about.
But I genuinely don't understand the pearl clutching about this and maybe I'm just not thinking it through, so I'm open to correction.
If we deport the parents, the baby will go with them, won't it? They aren't going to leave the baby here to live in foster care, right?
So just deport the parents. Like we were (supposedly) doing anyway.
What am I missing about this?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:06 pm to wackatimesthree
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If we deport the parents, the baby will go with them, won't it? They aren't going to leave the baby here to live in foster care, right?
So just deport the parents. Like we were (supposedly) doing anyway.
What am I missing about this?
For starters, birthright citizen baby can start voting in federal elections from, let's say for example - Beijing - once he turns 18.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:16 pm to SammyTiger
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why would he need to mention the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers separately?
Why would he have to mention Foreigners and Aliens? He could have just said, "Families of ambassadors and foreign ministers" if that is what he meant.
Maybe he wanted to specifically mention them because at that time (1866) that was where the biggest problem would be. You didn't have pregnant women coming here from any country in the world, have a baby then go back to their country just so their child could be a citizen of the USA.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:22 pm to David_DJS
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For starters, birthright citizen baby can start voting in federal elections from, let's say for example - Beijing - once he turns 18.
I was not aware of that prior to your post.
However, that's been the law since 1986. Do we know that any large number of people have done this?
So the Republicans just need to pass a law eliminating the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voter Act.
They better hurry up.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:34 pm to wackatimesthree
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However, that's been the law since 1986. Do we know that any large number of people have done this?
Frankly, I don't think it matters at all that large numbers haven't done this. Everything is changing, and there are billions on top of billions to test every angle.
Remember when smart people argued back when Biden was opening the border that leaders of countries to our south would be derelict if they didn't send us their lunatics and violent criminals? That happened. Now think of how stupid the CCP would have to be to not take full of advantage of birthright citizenship, and think of all the ways it can do that.
It's crazy.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:46 pm to David_DJS
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Frankly, I don't think it matters at all that large numbers haven't done this. Everything is changing
That wasn't a defense, just an honest curious question.
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Now think of how stupid the CCP would have to be to not take full of advantage of birthright citizenship, and think of all the ways it can do that.
Thats the thing, I guess I'm ignorant of all the ways they could. I see how this is a problem, but Republicans in Congress can fix this by abolishing the act I posted about above.
What other ways are you thinking about?
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:24 pm to wackatimesthree
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What other ways are you thinking about?
Without thinking to much about it, two ways jumpy to mind -
1. You don’t have to sneak a spy into the country or turn an American anymore. Just have him fly “home”.
2. Electorally. Gotta believe it could prove useful for someone not with America’s best interests at heart to have a few million birthright citizen-not residents votes to use. Few million sounds like too much? It wasn’t long ago the notion of more than 15 million illegals sounded crazy.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:46 pm to stout
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That argument seems like semantics when the framers literally tell you in black and white their intentions. There is no interpreting that any differently, and it should squash any doubt as to what their goal was with the 14th.
What you are making is the typical originalist versus textualist argument. The argument against any originalist point is if they meant something why didn't they write that, rather than what they did.
That usually has one of two or potentially both answers:
1. the alternate text wouldn't have past at the time
2. they didn't have a crystal ball so they couldn't envision modern times
This really isn't an issue because the text you posted does not say what you think it means.
If you look carefully, there is not a conjunction between the word "aliens" and the words " who belong to". If he meant what you suggest he meant then you would expect the word "or" to precede "who". Those are not three classes but merely one being children born of diplomats.
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:52 pm to wackatimesthree
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I'm not arguing that the correct ruling was made...that's not what this post is about.
But I genuinely don't understand the pearl clutching about this and maybe I'm just not thinking it through, so I'm open to correction.
If we deport the parents, the baby will go with them, won't it? They aren't going to leave the baby here to live in foster care, right?
So just deport the parents. Like we were (supposedly) doing anyway.
What am I missing about this?
Fly to America
Have baby for free
Fly home
Baby moves to America at 18
Entire family moves here via chain migration
Posted on 7/1/26 at 6:07 am to Obtuse1
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there is not a conjunction
You’re pretending that there’s not a comma.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 6:52 am to wackatimesthree
Have you seen the reporting on the CCCP birth tourism in the Northern Mariana Islands?
1.5 million Chinese births, and all are American citizens (helped by Obama)
And to some on here, it's what the framers intended.
LINK
1.5 million Chinese births, and all are American citizens (helped by Obama)
And to some on here, it's what the framers intended.
LINK
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:46 am to David_DJS
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Electorally.
Yeah, but as has already been said, we can fix that one.
Plus, because of the Electoral College, raw votes don't mean much. They have to be in swing states to matter. Which makes it a lot harder to use foreign votes to swing elections, even if you have a few million of them.
But yes, I agree, we need to fix that one by law.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:49 am to stout
This country was literally founded by foreigners who stole the land 
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:50 am to AC1221
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And to some on here, it's what the framers intended.
It’s not that anyone thinks they foresaw where this would end up, but it is what they wrote down.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:54 am to Obtuse1
What’s the distinction between “foreigner” and “alien”?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:55 am to Byron Bojangles III
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This country was literally founded by foreigners who stole the land
Really, from whom was it stolen?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 7:58 am to Byron Bojangles III
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This country was literally founded by foreigners who stole the land
You're such a retard
People with generations of family who built America stole the land, but a baby born to a foreigner 5 minutes ago is a citizen!
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