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re: "The SC got it right per the 14th"
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:57 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:57 pm to Indefatigable
I only vote for Christian Nationalists going forward.
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Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:59 pm to the808bass
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only vote for Christian Nationalists going forward.
Probably not a bad idea. Though, I’d argue the biggest hurdle here isn’t finding 67 senators to pass it, but finding 38 State legislatures to do so.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:01 pm to Indefatigable
We can’t get Congress to pass the Save act which has incredibly broad support, based on polling.
If we want to get serious, one of our biggest problems is that our representative government doesn’t represent us.
If we want to get serious, one of our biggest problems is that our representative government doesn’t represent us.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:02 pm to the808bass
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we want to get serious, one of our biggest problems is that our representative government doesn’t represent us.
We’re back to my point from earlier. The people that elect those people have the most responsibility. The only people with more blame are those that don’t vote at all.
Don’t get me wrong—the only deliberative body I despise more than Congress is the LA legislature. But the ultimate blame for their inaction and ineptitude is on the voting public for putting up with and perpetuating it.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:04 pm to Indefatigable
Eh.
If I campaign on doing X and then don’t do X, and then the people vote me out. And then the next guy campaigns on doing the same X and then doesn’t do the X, it’s a larger issue than the voters.
If I campaign on doing X and then don’t do X, and then the people vote me out. And then the next guy campaigns on doing the same X and then doesn’t do the X, it’s a larger issue than the voters.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:24 pm to the808bass
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I campaign on doing X and then don’t do X, and then the people vote me out. And then the next guy campaigns on doing the same X and then doesn’t do the X, it’s a larger issue than the voters.
What you’re describing is a society wide issue, which is why individual members are failing even if well intentioned.
As a society and specifically a voting population, we—whether you or I actually like it or not—value social media clicks, bullshite, and rage bait over substance and policy.
Unless the voting population values substance, policy, and meritocracy, our representative bodies won’t either.
Yes, that means people like you and I, and ultimately the country, get fricked over. We keep electing morons that are nothing more than internet hot take artists. We’ve long sense eliminated the possibility of smart, capable people running for Congress through the obnoxious media environment that we created and encourage.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:26 pm to Indefatigable
You’re missing some inputs. And kind of skipping over what I actually posted.
Why are people who campaign on X not doing X when they get to DC?
It’s larger than “people addicted to rage bait posting.” But it doesn’t fit with your blame the voter theory.
Why are people who campaign on X not doing X when they get to DC?
It’s larger than “people addicted to rage bait posting.” But it doesn’t fit with your blame the voter theory.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:30 pm to the808bass
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Why are people who campaign on X not doing X when they get to DC?
Because a single representative or Senator can never “do” anything. Anyone who votes for a member of Congress because they are going to “do something” is a moron. That isn’t how it works.
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It’s larger than “people addicted to rage bait posting.” But it doesn’t fit with your blame the voter theory.
I think it’s squarely within it. The voters don’t punish nonperformance. Instead they punish performative and meaningless things that don’t matter and don’t relate to substance or policy.
Nearly everyone primaried this cycle—on both sides of the aisle—was targeted not because of anything of substance, but because of failed purity tests on meaningless partisan issues.
Voters don’t care about anything that actually matters to the country’s governance. It’s too boring.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:33 pm to Indefatigable
Typically unproductive conversation with your idiotic arse.
My fault for attempting, really.
My fault for attempting, really.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:35 pm to the808bass
Ok. I thought it was engaging.
Keep on thinking the problem is members of Congress themselves, I guess. I don’t see the point in ignoring the actual issue though, which is our incredibly stupid and largely disinterested population.
Keep on thinking the problem is members of Congress themselves, I guess. I don’t see the point in ignoring the actual issue though, which is our incredibly stupid and largely disinterested population.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:36 pm to Indefatigable
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Because a single representative or Senator can never “do” anything. Anyone who votes for a member of Congress because they are going to “do something” is a moron. That isn’t how it works.
wtf? why do you vote for your representatives then? just to be a rubber stamp for the loon fringes of your preferred party? Is that how YOU think it works?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:36 pm to Indefatigable
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Keep on thinking the problem is members of Congress themselves, I guess.
I don’t.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:38 pm to Vacherie Saint
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wtf? why do you vote for your representatives then? just to be a rubber stamp for the loon fringes of your preferred party? Is that how YOU think it works?
What?
I vote for members of Congress as a measure of trust that they have my proxy for major issues. It’s not a vote that they will do everything exactly what I want. I’m voting for a representative, not a surrogate.
Individual members cannot do anything by themselves. There’s 535 of them that have to work together to do anything. I vote for people that I think can work to advance things I believe in, with a mature understanding that expecting 100% of what I want to be enacted into law is not realistically possible.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:40 pm to the808bass
Then the whole X person not “doing” what X said they would do is—what?
My point to you is that yea that’s the way things are as long as voters keep prioritizing stupid shite instead of policy. Not sure what it is that you disagree with.
My point to you is that yea that’s the way things are as long as voters keep prioritizing stupid shite instead of policy. Not sure what it is that you disagree with.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:41 pm to Indefatigable
What do you think happens between Congressional candidate supporting position X at home and then not supporting position X when they come to Congress?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:43 pm to the808bass
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What do you think happens between Congressional candidate supporting position X at home and then not supporting position X when they come to Congress?
For the average House member whose name no one knows?
Basic reality of getting to DC and seeing that the only thing that matters is your party’s caucus/conference winning majority in the next election and fundraising related to that.
For the members in the leadership positions who lack the honor or fortitude to break that trend? The losers who keep voting for them.
The above is what the voters reward and incentivize.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:44 pm to Indefatigable
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Anyone who votes for a member of Congress because they are going to “do something” is a moron.
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I vote for people that I think can work to advance things I believe in
a distinction without a difference
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:47 pm to Vacherie Saint
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a distinction without a difference
Meh, we just have a different understanding of it.
I’ll never hold any single member responsible for any given legislation happening or not happening.
I’ll hold them responsible if they go up there and lie about the work they’d do for it though, or if they aren’t effective.
Any member of congress that promises they’ll “do” anything concrete is a charlatan.
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:49 pm to Indefatigable
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Basic reality of getting to DC and seeing that the only thing that matters is your party’s caucus/conference winning majority in the next election and fundraising related to that.
So that’s not the voters. Is it?
Posted on 7/1/26 at 1:52 pm to the808bass
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So that’s not the voters. Is it?
The next paragraph you forgot to include explains that. The leadership and seniority situation that created that dilemma is 100% on voters.
There is no possible flaw in a representative body that doesn’t flow back to the people who put them there—either specific to individual members or in the aggregate.
We have exactly the Congress we deserve. Until we deserve and actually demand better, we won’t get anything better.
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