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The reaction to these the new tariff policies of DJT defies logic and common sense.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:37 pm
I expect the media and Dems to act like total idiots at anything Trump suggests so their reactions to all this is just par for the course. The way our so called good friends, partners and allies have acted though has been enlightening and eye opening.
It doesn’t matter if it’s the most powerful country in the history of mankind or an average family living anywhere in the world. When a country, business, or the average household gets upside down financially you can bet 2 things are about to happen. You cut frivolous spending and tighten up on spending till the crisis is over.
The second thing that’s gonna happen is you look for ways to increase the income coming in while you are spending less. These 2 measures are almost certain to happen when any entity gets itself into financial and debt trouble. It’s a pretty basic and normal response that happens every day all around the world.
The overwhelming overreaction to Trump just doing basic housekeeping before we crash financially is really really strange. The USA is 36 trillion in debt. We have a pretty wide gap between our tariffs we charge these people and what we pay these same people in tariffs. It’s not like it’s a huge secret that we are drowning financially as a country. These people knew this day had to come eventually. Any negative effects they may suffer because they didn’t bother to prepare is on them and if they wanna get mad at someone and lash out I would suggest these greedy A-holes start with getting mad at themselves first.
It doesn’t matter if it’s the most powerful country in the history of mankind or an average family living anywhere in the world. When a country, business, or the average household gets upside down financially you can bet 2 things are about to happen. You cut frivolous spending and tighten up on spending till the crisis is over.
The second thing that’s gonna happen is you look for ways to increase the income coming in while you are spending less. These 2 measures are almost certain to happen when any entity gets itself into financial and debt trouble. It’s a pretty basic and normal response that happens every day all around the world.
The overwhelming overreaction to Trump just doing basic housekeeping before we crash financially is really really strange. The USA is 36 trillion in debt. We have a pretty wide gap between our tariffs we charge these people and what we pay these same people in tariffs. It’s not like it’s a huge secret that we are drowning financially as a country. These people knew this day had to come eventually. Any negative effects they may suffer because they didn’t bother to prepare is on them and if they wanna get mad at someone and lash out I would suggest these greedy A-holes start with getting mad at themselves first.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:41 pm to RollingwiththeTide
Concerted global effort to bash and potentially oust Trump who is paying for all of them and their safety and funneling dark money in the form of USAID funds into their countries. Not to mention the fact that he’s messing up the globalists’ “one world” plan.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:46 pm to RollingwiththeTide
I have no idea what that attempt at philosophy was supposed to be.
The fact is, people think tarrifs, higher prices for my Lowenbrau beer (that might be a bit of a lighthearted thing but not in NY which gets its power from Canada).
The fact is, people think tarrifs, higher prices for my Lowenbrau beer (that might be a bit of a lighthearted thing but not in NY which gets its power from Canada).
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:50 pm to RollingwiththeTide
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The reaction to these the new tariff policies of DJT defies logic and common sense.
You mean by the countries who are pushing back?
Not really.
They are simply invoking the same thing that gets posted here over and over and over and over and over, which is that we are the largest single economy in the world.
From their perspective, they're thinking, "How can those assholes be angry that we're doing whatever we can to keep our citizens working and our modest economy functioning at a reasonable level while they are blasting grand slam home runs every day with theirs? We need these tariffs. They don't. They are just being greedy. They already are the richest country on the planet, what else do they want?"
Am I saying I agree with their reasoning? No, but you should. It's a 100% populist mindset.
It's the same reasoning y'all use when you cheer Trump's populist pandering about eliminating taxes on OT or tips. The "Little Guy" ought not have to pay. Only the "greedy bastards" making all the money in the first place, regardless of the fact that they already pay a wildly disproportionate amount of the total taxes collected.
In the world economy, that's us. We're the greedy bastards. We are "The Elites." They are the "Little Guy."
Now, I don't expect anything but a bunch of mindless downvotes and insults from posting this, because that's the nature of populism...you can't be out-victimized in the populism game or you lose. So a bunch of you who will not be able to substantiate why will simply call me retarded or stupid, but that's the reality of the situation.
If you can understand your reaction to the tax pandering, you can understand their reaction to these tariffs. Because it's the same reasoning.
Posted on 3/12/25 at 11:56 pm to Big Jim Slade
I don’t know what these people expect the United States to do. Are we supposed to go broke and end up a failed and collapsed country so they can keep riding the gravy train. The whole reaction is totally strange and odd. What Trump is doing is a very normal reaction to being 36 trillion in debt. They would be doing the very same thing if it were any of them in our shoes. The threats of retaliation and their overall bad attitudes have really been mind blowing.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:15 am to Eurocat
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The fact is, people think tarrifs, higher prices for my Lowenbrau beer (that might be a bit of a lighthearted thing but not in NY which gets its power from Canada)
The fact is, NY getting it’s power from Canada was wrong from Day 1. That’s the whole point. There is no conceivable way it makes sense for Americans to import electricity from another country. We do it from Mexico too.
If Obama would have shined light on this, as much of a despicable piece of shite that has done harm to this country as he has, I would still agree with him.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 12:20 am to RollingwiththeTide
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Are we supposed to go broke and end up a failed and collapsed country so they can keep riding the gravy train...They would be doing the very same thing if it were any of them in our shoes.
Dude, you think we're unique in running such a large debt?
Our external debt to GPD ratio is just over 93%. We're not even close to #1 in the world on that list. We're #42, in fact.
Japan is at 105% (and when you consider internal debt as well, Japan is in uncharted waters relative to it's debt to GDP ratio it's so high).
Canada is at 136%.
The EU is around 115%.
China is at around an unbelievable 450%.
And keep in mind, that's with the high tariffs they've all been charging for decades. They're still behind the US in terms of external debt to GDP.
I'm telling you, they don't feel sorry for us, they envy us. Again, in a populist mindset, we're a bunch of greedy bastard Elites who want to put our boots in the throats of the Little Guy and squeeze them for everything they've got, even though we already have way more than they do.
P.S. The moral of this story is that social entitlements are expensive as hell and no country can actually afford them. That incudes Medicare/Medicaid, and Social Security. That's why pretty much all western countries are upside down. The economics of it just don't work.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 12:25 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 2:50 am to wackatimesthree
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Am I saying I agree with their reasoning? No, but you should. It's a 100% populist mindset
The fact that you think you have the right to tell others what they should incorrectly think just proves you don't understand the "populism" you hate. Why should I agree with foreign countries tariffing us higher when I'm America First? That's retarded. You are grasping at straws desperately trying to attack Trump any way you can.
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It's the same reasoning y'all use when you cheer Trump's populist pandering about eliminating taxes on OT or tips. The "Little Guy" ought not have to pay. Only the "greedy bastards" making all the money in the first place, regardless of the fact that they already pay a wildly disproportionate amount of the total taxes collected.
Another lie. That's all you TDS lunatics can do. No one is complaining because "the rich aren't paying enough." I'm OK with Trump's tax plan because of support lower taxes, and I can see the potential benefits.
Have you ever complained about the birth rate being too low, not having enough workers, traditional families becoming rarer? You know what fixes that? Lower taxes for the middle class. Make life more affordable and we get more babies.
Tired of our moral decay? Suburban life is better than urban life for that, but we can't help good people move up in life with lenient policies because all we can see is the direct impact of them getting an advantage we don't. The indirect impacts that benefit everyone are ignored.
You "true conservatives" bitch about our problems but then look at every situation in a vacuum, so you never find a working solution because some belief always contradicts with another when you try to solve problems in the real world. There's never any compromise for you, even when it results in the status quo you claim to not like.
Tariffs will strengthen our manufacturing base and bring jobs to families that can give them extra money to buy a home and help build a strong future. "I don't care. I only want cheaper crap."
Young people can't afford houses in decent neighborhoods to raise kids. "I don't care. No one should get a tax break for making less money. I get a tax break for having kids that other people don't, but that's fair because it benefits me. Other people paying less because of a tax break I don't get, that's not fair."
You people live in a dreamland where everything is black and white and no decision has secondary or tertiary effects.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:25 am to wackatimesthree
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You mean by the countries who are pushing back?
We are the country pushing back. You idiot.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 7:01 am to RollingwiththeTide
quote:They expect us to act against our national interest because that is what the political class in this country has done for the last forty years. When we change course and begin acting in our own interest, it seems unfair to them. As Thomas Sowell said: 'when you're used to preferential treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination'.
I don’t know what these people expect the United States to do.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:11 am to coolpapaboze
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coolpapaboze
My one upvote includes an implied 1000 upvotes.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:19 am to RollingwiththeTide
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 am to coolpapaboze
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They expect us to act against our national interest because that is what the political class in this country has done for the last forty years.
Exactly. Add to that any way they can transfer money from the American people to "causes" allows them to line their pockets. Elon is uncovering all this corruption and the left is holding their fingers in their ears and going "alalalalalalal orange man and mars man bad."
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:24 am to Von
quote:I appreciate that.
My one upvote includes an implied 1000 upvotes.


Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:25 am to RollingwiththeTide
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I don’t know what these people expect the United States to do.
Not interfere with trade between two private parties.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:28 am to Eurocat
Imagine being concerned about beer prices when the future is much more bleak if something isn’t done now? The European Union has already screwed itself which is why they are considering further economic reforms. Increased government control of the economy is the last gasp of a dying economic corpse. But I wouldn’t expect anyone from Europe to understand that to be honest, you voted in your own demise
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:35 am to RollingwiththeTide
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The reaction to these the new tariff policies of DJT defies logic and common sense.
IMO Trump is intentionally causing uncertainty in the market to fear money flow into the bond markets from stocks. During times of uncertainty stocks dip and bonds rise. This will help the U.S. Treasury refinance $9.2 trillion this year. I expect the the $DJI and S&P to be cut 20% from their January highs before the stock market turns up again for the better and much more sustainable climb.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:42 am to wackatimesthree
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From their perspective, they're thinking, "How can those assholes be angry that we're doing whatever we can to keep our citizens working and our modest economy functioning at a reasonable level while they are blasting grand slam home runs every day with theirs? We need these tariffs. They don't. They are just being greedy. They already are the richest country on the planet, what else do they want?"
Am I saying I agree with their reasoning? No, but you should. It's a 100% populist mindset.
Everything above is horseshite. They aren't just trying to survive with their meager little economies. They implemented socialized medicine. Most of them have socialized higher education. They have been living off the defense umbrella provided by the US, along with the largesse provided by maintaining a trade surplus with the US in tariff money. They are just pissed because the brakes have been thrown on their gravy train.
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