re: The reaction to these the new tariff policies of DJT defies logic and common sense.

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But it's okay when every other country does just that,

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Its their loss. Thats why their people are poor.

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No dingus, it is also the loss of the company trying to do business with them,

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Who buys the product?

Those who can afford the product, plus the price that gets added because of the tariff imposed. Meaning that less off the product is bought, maybe none of the product is bought, because domestic product is cheaper. I’m not here to answer your inane questions. If you don’t have at least an elementary understanding of tariffs, I suggest you educate yourself.

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Who buys the product?

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Nobody because the product is too expensive once their gov. puts the tariffs on our product.

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No one is complaining because "the rich aren't paying enough."

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Then tell me why you think it's o.k. for some people to be exempt from income taxes while other people still have to pay them? Why is that a good thing?

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The fact that you think you have the right to tell others what they should incorrectly think just proves you don't understand the "populism" you hate.

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The fact that you don't understand the difference in pointing out self-contradictory logic and telling someone what to think means you are a moron. But we already knew that.

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Lower taxes for the middle class.

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But no one was proposing lowering taxes for the middle class. The proposal was for singling out a few very specific groups to exempt, some of whom might be in the middle class, some of whom might be in the lower class, and some of whom (SS recipients) might be deca-millionaires.

You know what lowering taxes in the middle class also does? Widens our national deficit and debt.

I'm fine with the lowest taxes possible. As long as they are equally applied. And as long as they are responsible. We owe over $36 Trilion. We can't afford tax exemptions ever, but we can't even afford legitimate tax cuts until that comes down and we at least have a balanced budget. And no, DOGE will not balance the budget.

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There's never any compromise for you, even when it results in the status quo you claim to not like.

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What is your definition of the word "compromise?" Because I suspect what you mean by it isn't really the definition of the word applied to public policy.

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Tariffs will strengthen our manufacturing base and bring jobs to families that can give them extra money to buy a home and help build a strong future. "I don't care. I only want cheaper crap."

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No, moron, the objection is that bringing manufacturing back to America will raise prices for those families you just shed all those crocodile tears for.

I've posted this 100 times here (probably at least a dozen times directly to you) and you populists apparently can't read, but here it is again...

If we were to recover every single manufacturing job we supposedly "lost" overseas and then doubled it, we'd be talking about an an absolute maximum of 20 million jobs. Those are real (if generous) numbers. I looked them up.

The average factory worker in America makes a little over $17 an hour. I looked that up too.

The average Chinese factory worker makes a little over $6 an hour. Yep, looked it up.

So for 6% of the American population to have—on average—a $17 an hour job opportunity that doesn't currently exist here, you want prices to go up as significantly as they would go up if manufacturing labor costs almost tripled, and those increased costs would apply to 100% of the American population, including the 20 million $17 an hour workers that are supposed to be the big winners here.

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You people live in a dreamland

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For sure, one of us does. Math has a way of revealing which one.

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Who buys the product?


Nobody

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Consumers get railed, importers get railed.

Do you know who it helps? Politicians, and no one else.

This is the economic strategy you people want to immulate.

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We aren't trying to emulate them, we are trying to educate them. Yes the consumers get railed, yes the importers get railed, and yes the producer in the home country gets railed too. But the railing has been one sided, as evidenced by a country of 350 million having a 70 billion dollar trade deficit with a country of 40 million. How that is not understandable to you, baffles me.

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But it's okay when every other country does just that, making our products too expensive to compete in their countries.

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Sure, that hurts American producers.

But Trump imposing tariffs hurts American consumers.

Which do you think there are more of in America?

Look, I always say that if Trump can force free trade out of this, great. That's best case scenario. I have serious doubts that he actually can, but if he can, great for American producers. Free trade is the best for both American producers and consumers.

But all the other reasons y'all populists give suck and need to be ignored.

So now we're down to whether it is worth the gamble to do something you know is going to hurt the American economy to try to force free trade.

I genuinely don't know the answer to that. It might be, only time will tell. But everyone needs to go into this knowing that:

1. This is a choice. We're choosing this battle. We do not have to do this.

2. It could fail. And if it does, it will hurt the economy. It will hurt the economy even if it succeeds, but there will ostensibly be a period of recoupment after the period of pain. But...

3. If the next POTUS is just about anybody other than J.D. Vance, it could be reversed overnight. So all the pain might be for nothing ultimately.

You've got to keep that in mind when deciding whether or not you think the risk is worth the reward.

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Canada and Europe going apoplectic about US tariffs

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Tell me how much you love their economies. Why they are the bastion of opportinity why we're over here getting fricked and rotting away.


Go for it, I'd love to hear your fairy tale.

I think you might be cracking up. I don't want to put you over the edge. The EU is a market larger than the US in population. The prospect of opening those markets to US producers for fair trade would be the single best thing to happen to the economy in decades, probably centuries.

What is preventing that are protectionist tariffs imposed by the EU and Canada. The very people who live by tariffs want the US to understand that tariffs are bad. What Trump is doing is trying to get them to understand just how bad they are, and why they should stop imposing them on our producers.

To this point, all these foreign countries were just fine with tariffs, as long as they were the ones imposing them. We are now at the find out portion, where they realize that tariffs are bullshite, and they aren't taking the news so well.