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re: The Police State marches on: More police departments encrypting radio transmissions
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:53 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:53 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
I'll just file this one under I don't really care one way or the other.
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Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:53 am to BamaGradinTn
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Nooo...in real life.
Police are chasing me on foot...but, I have my iPhone app telling me what they are doing. So, I can zig whenever they zag.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:53 am to NIH
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One example doesn't really help your case
I'm sorry...I would think that most of us here would understand the definition of the word "several". Didn't realize it would need to be dumbed down for anyone.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:55 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Because a government agency is publicly funded, you should be entitled to immediate information about its activities
Yes, but especially for law enforcement that has the authority to use deadly force if needed.
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Where does this argument end?
I could ask the same of your counter-argument
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:56 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Sooo.....in a Hollywood movie. Like Die Hard or something.
Okay...in movies, I will be okay with police scrambled communications
Actually there is cult of scanner nerds who like to monitor LE calls and go show up at the scene to see it unfold first hand. (and I imagine these days with cell phone in hand). This does make LE's job more difficult because in those situations not only do they have to deal with the call now they have to deal with spectators and their safety also.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:56 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I'm suggesting that these almost never occur. Perhaps NEVER (where the hostage taker brings a scanner with and uses it to keep up with what the police are plotting as a response).
So the police should always operate on the assumption that the criminals are not listening and just broadcast out in the open? Are there other safety measures they should disregard? Assume the criminal is unarmed or won't actually hit them with a bullet, so leave the bullet proof vests off?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:57 am to BamaGradinTn
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Yeah, well, that would include the FBI and DHS dealing with active terror investigations, now wouldn't it?
Sure would.
I’m curious why you seem to think less transparency from law enforcement is a good thing?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 10:59 am to Snipe
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This does make LE's job more difficult
I’m guessing having citizens recording them with cell phones makes it more difficult for LEO’s to do the things they really would like to do
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:00 am to Smeg
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So the police should always operate on the assumption that the criminals are not listening and just broadcast out in the open? Are there other safety measures they should disregard? Assume the criminal is unarmed or won't actually hit them with a bullet, so leave the bullet proof vests off?
Reductio Ad Absurdum
I'll not even entertain this silliness
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:01 am to weagle99
Some agencies, particularly law enforcement, do encrypt their radio traffic. This is to frustrate criminals who monitor police radio frequencies in order to better facilitate their crimes. This is especially a problem in large-scale public order (riot) situations where the protesters/rioters are heavily organized and have communications networks of their own. This is not so much a problem with peaceful protests, but many of the so-called protesters are anything but peaceful. They seek to destroy property, block streets and intersections, and keep first responders from performing their jobs. Depriving them of the ability to monitor police frequencies provides an increased tactical advantage.
Some public safety agencies that have encrypted their radio channels have distributed radios capable of decrypting the traffic to accredited news agencies to aid them in reporting. The radios can be enabled and disabled remotely, so if one is stolen or misplaced, it can be made incapable of decoding the radio traffic from the communications center. LINK
Some public safety agencies that have encrypted their radio channels have distributed radios capable of decrypting the traffic to accredited news agencies to aid them in reporting. The radios can be enabled and disabled remotely, so if one is stolen or misplaced, it can be made incapable of decoding the radio traffic from the communications center. LINK
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:01 am to weagle99
I'm sure someone is already working on a scanner decrypter
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:01 am to weagle99
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Yes, but especially for law enforcement that has the authority to use deadly force if needed.
Every human being has the authority to use deadly force to defend themselves from deadly threats. Police aren’t special in that regard.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:01 am to TigerBait1971
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Hostage situation where the hostage taker is monitoring police communications on a scanner.
How so?
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:03 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Perhaps NEVER (where the hostage taker brings a scanner with and uses it to keep up with what the police are plotting as a response).
I'm not suggesting I'm completely comfortable with this, but I will just say, you can pull this shite up on a phone these days.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:04 am to Jack Bauers HnK
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Police aren’t special in that regard.
Disagree strongly. Police are taxpayer funded portions of government.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:06 am to TigerBait1971
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Hostage situation where the hostage taker is monitoring police communications on a scanner.
I thought SWAT and spec units already used encrypted channels.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:08 am to weagle99
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Disagree strongly. Police are taxpayer funded portions of government.
What do you disagree with? You can use deadly force to defend yourself from someone threatening you with death. That’s a basic human right that we recognize in this country. Just because police work a job that requires them to interact with people who are more likely to harm or kill police than the average citizen doesn’t make them any less able to defend themselves as needed.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:16 am to Sidicous
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Even worse to me: Barr was just asked today about the hold up of Federal Grants to LOCAL police depts nationwide. Why am I paying taxes to prop up local PD in, oh, Albuquerque? Omaha? Van Nuys? Pensacola? Oshkosh? Chicago? NYC? I've never set foot in those places and have no desire or foresee ever having any reason to ever be remotely near those places. Wealth redistribution. Another example of can't support themselves so make others support them.
It's to get them one the federal tit where they'll never let go. And can be controlled.
I live in a very small county. It's population is exactly what it was 50 years ago. 18,000 for the entire county. Today there are 21 deputies, plus sheriff and however many jailers, and at last count 14 squads (including the two they have wrecked in the past couple months), a crew cab diesel pickup, an "Emergency response" rig and trailer and probably a few other things I'm missing. They are getting one of those military rigs from the Feds that they absolutely don't need and have no idea what it will cost to maintain.
The only "city" has a population of 5000 and has 10 officers and 5 squads.
This is all made possible by Fed money.
This post was edited on 4/10/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:17 am to junkfunky
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I thought SWAT and spec units already used encrypted channels.
They do... but the rest of the tin badges are jealous.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 11:35 am to BuckyCheese
quote:Yep, I'm in a small parish, around 20k. We've got a helicopter as well as all the trash DARE vehicles and equipment a decade after DARE was shown to be BS. A few DARE assigned officers even. Of course with a helicopter it also puts them on the tit for upgrading and maintaining the "airport" too.
I live in a very small county. It's population is exactly what it was 50 years ago. 18,000 for the entire county.
But hey Bucky, thx for your tax dollars hard at work down here!
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