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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:16 am to Champagne
Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:16 am to Champagne
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don't know what he's saying but, WRT this issue of whether private citizen civilians should take up arms and fight an invading army - It is a complicated issue with pros and cons on both sides.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s futile because a private civilian is most likely going to get slaughtered by a professional soldier. I wouldn’t even use them at a last resort option because at that point you have lost the war and Joe the former financial analyst isn’t going to save you like some Disney movie narrative. This is why France still looks France today and Germany looks different because Germany thought they could just defend to the last man. GUESS WHAT, both countries still lost!
Even if you look at it from an insurgency perspective, these wars are attrition based and take a long time.
Summary- Zelensky is sending his own people to get slaughtered so he can look better to the west on Twitter and cnn!
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 9:19 am
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Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:18 am to Jbird
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What Ukraine wants: STOP BUYING RUSSIAN ENERGY; What Ukraine gets: A cat ban
Russians getting banned from pussy? This might be the straw that broke the camel's back...
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 9:57 am to Palmetto98
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What I’m trying to say
Your position is completely reasonable and rational. There is no doubt about this. In fact, this issue of sending your civilians to fight the invading army has been around for a long time. At times, various military thinkers have considered it to be not just immoral, but also illegal, rather than heroic.
It is a complicated issue. Those who disagree with you must really consider whether the negative consequences are worth it.
There is a way to wage unconventional warfare behind enemy lines using friendly special forces to embed within friendly indigenous partisan cells, and then to subsequently conduct military operations that are tantamount to Partisan Warfare. However, telling everybody to stick an AK out your apartment window and start firing at Russians is not the same thing as using special forces to conduct unconventional warfare.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:12 am to rds dc
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RUSSIAN FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE CHIEF SAYS FOR US THIS IS NO LONGER COLD WAR WITH THE WEST BUT HOT WAR - INTERFAX
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:14 am to pankReb
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The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
you are aware of the 40 mile long convoy and the fact that Kyiv is nearly surrounded right?
You mean the convoy that now has been reported of going nowhere with a gas shortage and tires that haven't be changed since the 80's? The convoy that was supposed to be surrounding the capitol a couple of days ago? Look I don't know what is propaganda and not. maybe the column is fine. But the column that looked super sinister a few days ago isn't looking AS sinister. At least that much is true.Your certainty that the column is still a threat is just as doubtful as it being no threat. Fog of war and all.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:22 am to arktiger28
I think they’re waiting to link up with the Russian push from the east and for the weather to clear up so they can make their final move on the city with air cover.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:36 am to TexasForever
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:42 am to TexasForever
A Russian account is claiming Chechen general, Magomed Tushayev, is alive and well.
It seems like it could be fake. We never saw proof of his death but I remember Ramzan Kadyrov confirming his death. This shite is a circus
Video
It seems like it could be fake. We never saw proof of his death but I remember Ramzan Kadyrov confirming his death. This shite is a circus
Video
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 10:42 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:43 am to TexasForever
Seems like sending war protesters to the war they're protesting is a recipe for defeat.
But go on ahead Russia, frick yourselves all the way up.
But go on ahead Russia, frick yourselves all the way up.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:50 am to Diego Ricardo
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Seems like sending war protesters to the war they're protesting is a recipe for defeat.
Nah, it's a win/win. Either they kill your enemy or they become an enemy you can kill. Even more efficient than a gulag. You only have to support them as long as they are doing your bidding. Once they switch sides due to poor treatment and opposition you are free to kill them as traitorous enemy combatants.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:50 am to Diego Ricardo
Give them guns and hopefully they kill Russians
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:52 am to V Bainbridge
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Nah, it's a win/win. Either they kill your enemy or they become an enemy you can kill. Even more efficient than a gulag. You only have to support them as long as they are doing your bidding. Once they switch sides due to poor treatment and opposition you are free to kill them as traitorous enemy combatants.
They will become "an enemy you can kill" meaning they would simply be supplying Ukraine with more 'soldiers.'
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:55 am to Diego Ricardo
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Seems like sending war protesters to the war they're protesting is a recipe for defeat.
But go on ahead Russia, frick yourselves all the way up.
On this very page of this very thread, people are arguing "measures of last resort," in essence.
If Russia declares Martial Law, it indicates that they're genuinely concerned the population is about to rise up and depose their government.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:57 am to Mickey Goldmill
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They will become "an enemy you can kill" meaning they would simply be supplying Ukraine with more 'soldiers.'
More poorly trained soldiers that Ukrainian forces won't trust and if they don't kill them outright when they defect they will use them as cannon fodder to fight against those who didn't defect. So now, instead of having to use kid gloves with them because they are protesting civilians you can just kill them as enemy soldiers.
Largely, they will kill each other off, solving your protest problem.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:57 am to RuLSU
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On this very page of this very thread, people are arguing "measures of last resort," in essence.
If Russia declares Martial Law, it indicates that they're genuinely concerned the population is about to rise up and depose their government.
My internal odds that this ends in a Russian Civil War at some point is increasing daily...
Posted on 3/3/22 at 10:59 am to V Bainbridge
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More poorly trained soldiers. So now, instead of having to use kid gloves with them because they are protesting civilians you can just kill them as enemy soldiers.
Some won't defect and largely, they will kill each other off, solving your protest problem.
Eh, they better put those conscripts with the most loyal professionals they got because otherwise they might just be arming their internal civil opposition force if the commanders and non-coms get shaky on their loyalty.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:18 am to Diego Ricardo
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My internal odds that this ends in a Russian Civil War at some point is increasing daily...
I don't want to assume anything. I'm hopeful a Democracy can hold off the Russians, so I realize I'm biased.
That said... anything can happen. Thousands of Russians have been arrested for protesting the war. An oligarch offered $1M for Putin's assassination. (Ha! Cheap!)
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:02 pm to TexasForever
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:02 pm to Champagne
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I probably lean towards the side that says Zelensky should NOT urge the civilians to fight the Russian Army. He should tell them to put white flags out of the buildings that are civilian buildings containing no military assets. When the Russian Army arrives, send the Mayor to meet them and discuss terms of Occupation Law and allow Russian inspection teams to inspect buildings to ensure that they contain no Partisan guerilla fighters. This is probably the better way, although, sure it does seem like surrender, so, it is distasteful.
I’m glad Americans didn’t take this type of advice during our revolution. Would you tell Americans to do this today if a foreign power invaded?
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