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re: Tennessee police in 2022 busted Maryland thug with trafficking 7 women
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:34 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:34 am to IvoryBillMatt
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I'm not defending HIM.
I heard his dad was a police officer and his mother was head of the local Chamber of Commerce.
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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How can this hold considering he claimed he feared retribution from a rival gang (supposedly called the 18th Street Gang) which NO LONGER EXISTS! How can one be fearful of something that is gone?
Ask the Supreme Court because that's what they ruled
SFP taking liberties with reality again. The US Supreme Ct was not reviewing the question of whether the hold should still exist now that the rival gang no longer exists. The Supreme Court did not consider whether the AEA makes the hold order no longer relevant, since under the AEA anyone that isn’t a naturalized citizen can be deported if subject to the order.
The Supreme Court was reviewing exclusively the question of whether the trial judge could order the administration to go get this guy from El Salvador, which they ruled 9-0 could not occur. When evaluating the question, the court took as true that he was deported in violation of the hold order because the now fired lawyer for the government didn’t challenge that fact.
So, no, the USSC has not decided whether this guys hold order should continue to exist since the rival gang doesn’t exist. It also didn’t hold that this guy can’t be deported under the AEA. The only thing before the court and decided is that the trial judge can’t order the administration to go get him and return him.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:36 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Your ignorance never ceases to amaze and amuse. I assume you mean 8 USC 1231.
Dazzle us with your legal brilliance, explain how 8 USC 1231 limits his deportation to El Salvador...careful, because if it does, then that would have meant that Abrego Garcia, under the law, couldn't be legally deported ANYWHERE because the order prohibiting his deportation to El Salvador is still in effect.
Another one of your posts cited 8 usc 1231.
Have you read it? I did.
Maybe you should read it instead of showing your own ignorance.
The first step is to deport the person to the country they entered the US from. But....... you can't be deported to a contiguous (connected by border) country unless they are an actual citizen or resident of that country.
If I was born in Venezuela and came to the US through Mexico, the only country I should be deported to is Venezuela.
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(3) Restriction on removal to a country where alien's life or freedom would be threatened.
(A) In general. Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Attorney General may not remove an
alien to a country if the Attorney General decides that the alien's life or freedom would be threatened in
that country because of the alien's race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group,
or political opinion.
(B) Exception. Subparagraph (A) does not apply to an alien deportable under section 237(a)(4)(D)
[8 USCS § 1227(a)(4)(D)] or if the Attorney General decides that-
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) there are reasonable grounds to believe that the alien is a danger to the security of the United
States.
Being a member of a terrorist organization fits this.
Again, why do you hate our laws?
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 9:43 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:36 am to IvoryBillMatt
For someone who posted that they “didn’t care”, you sure are rage posting over your hero.
You leftist are something else. You would support pedophiles if it advanced your left wing agenda…… oh, wait, y’all already did that too
You leftist are something else. You would support pedophiles if it advanced your left wing agenda…… oh, wait, y’all already did that too
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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The 1948 case is being misinterpreted online
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that case is also completely different in terms of facts involved
Here's what they said; it's hard to misinterpret this language, and the scope of the AEA as written and as delineated by this ruling far exceeds any differences between the two cases being discussed.
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The war power is the war power. If the war, as we have held, has not in fact ended, so as to justify local rent control, a fortiori, it validly supports the power given to the President by the Act of 1798 in relation to alien enemies. Nor does it require protracted argument to find no defect in the Act because resort to the courts may be had only to challenge the construction and validity of the statute
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The Act is almost as old as the Constitution, and it would savor of doctrinaire audacity now to find the statute offensive to some emanation of the Bill of Rights.
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The fact that
Page 335 U. S. 172
The fact that hearings are utilized by the Executive to secure an informed basis for the exercise of summary power does not argue the right of courts to retry such hearings, nor bespeak denial of due process to withhold such power from the courts.
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Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has constitutionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs. He who was entrusted with such vast powers in relation to the outside world was also entrusted by Congress, almost throughout the whole life of the nation, with the disposition of alien enemies during a state of war. Such a page of history is worth more than a volume of rhetoric.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:39 am to JimEverett
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"Ignore" implies intent. There has been no evidence of that, has there?
Good point. I don't know WHY they violated the order. ICE admits that they were aware of the protective order...and yet Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador (see affidavit).
I guess we should just say "violated" the order.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:44 am to IvoryBillMatt
There is your post citing usc 1231 again.
You should read it.
Hes a member of a terrorist organization.
Ignorance is bliss.
You should read it.
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(A) In general. Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Attorney General may not remove an
alien to a country if the Attorney General decides that the alien's life or freedom would be threatened in
that country because of the alien's race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group,
or political opinion.
(B) Exception. Subparagraph (A) does not apply to an alien deportable under section 237(a)(4)(D)
[8 USCS § 1227(a)(4)(D)] or if the Attorney General decides tha
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iv) there are reasonable grounds to believe that the alien is a danger to the security of the United
States.
Hes a member of a terrorist organization.
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Bars to Asylum Include:
Participation in terrorist activity
Membership in a terrorist organization
Commission of a serious non-political crime
Danger to the security of the United States
Ignorance is bliss.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 9:48 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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IIRC, the USSC said it was "unlawful"
Nope!
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:51 am to TheHumanTornado
quote:The Administration mentioned it multiple times in the last month that there is evidence of human trafficking on the guy. Leavitt and Bondi made mention early on in the timeline of this case.
He was convicted of that? I’m assuming no being that this story just magically appeared without the administration mentioning it. If we are just going to assume guilt now, I guess you do you. That pendulum always swings back.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:54 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Good point. I don't know WHY they violated the order. ICE admits that they were aware of the protective order...and yet Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador (see affidavit).
I guess we should just say "violated" the order.
I am admittedly nitpicking to make a point.
"Ignore" and "violate" are technically true in some sense, but the language in this context seems to imply something more than is there.
Sticking with my analogy of Judge Boasberg improperly asserting jurisdiction, technically it is true that he "ignored" statute, or "violated" the statute. The language in both cases does sound overly suggestive.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:55 am to dgnx6
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If I was born in Venezuela and came to the US through Mexico, the only country I should be deported to is Venezuela.
8 USC 1231 doesn't change the efficacy of the Trump Immigration Judge's 2019 order prohibiting deportation to El Salvador. You think you know the law better than the ICE Field Director?
[I edited this down...we are arguing over a moot point. Abrego Garcia is gone for good. I am happy about that. It annoys me when people misstate the laws or facts, but I will let that go.]
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:58 am to IvoryBillMatt
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8 USC 1231 doesn't change the efficacy of the Immigration Judge's order prohibiting deportation to El Salvador.
This is the key point. Nothing else really matters.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Liberals and democrats
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:04 am to dgnx6
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Ignorance is bliss.
Your always responding to arguments you wish that I had made rather than arguments I actually made.
Abrego Garcia was not granted asylum...it's not worth wasting each other's time anymore in rehashing this. Ultimately, we're both happy with the result. An illegal alien was removed from the United States.
Cheers
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:17 am to Willie Stroker
“The basis for the Judge’s decision in 2019 was an immigration policy that no longer applies. That judge upheld the decision to deport Kilmar but the 18th Street Gang no longer exists as a threat in El Salvador, which was the basis for that judge’s determination.”
If you’re correct, there should be able basis to deport Garcia in accordance with the law. But none of what you’re saying in the 9-0 Supreme Court decision. I implore you, as I have others, to read the very short decision (you can skip the Statement by the liberal justices). What is beyond debate is that the Supreme Court has upheld a district court ruling that Garcia was wrongfully deported. It is this lawlessness that troubles me.
If you’re correct, there should be able basis to deport Garcia in accordance with the law. But none of what you’re saying in the 9-0 Supreme Court decision. I implore you, as I have others, to read the very short decision (you can skip the Statement by the liberal justices). What is beyond debate is that the Supreme Court has upheld a district court ruling that Garcia was wrongfully deported. It is this lawlessness that troubles me.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:36 am to mwade91383
Your lack of knowledge is duly noted. You have no idea what (if anything) the Trump administration is doing. That is their purview.
The USSC rules 9-0. Now he is working with his DOJ in regards to that ruling.
The USSC rules 9-0. Now he is working with his DOJ in regards to that ruling.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:36 am to Lg
quote:^^THIS is my current beef with the Administration. This slow trickle of deportees is paltry.
I think there is something you are missing with this poll. It's either swayed because Democrats were the one's polled OR it could be they polled Trump supporters that aren't happy there aren't more deportations happening. I, and I think most who voted for PDJT, want to see MASS deportations. Thousands a day. Not 20 bad hombres. Thousands of people who crossed the border illegally. So, his numbers on this issue may drop for that fact alone.
I want a convoy of buses loaded with illegals burning a direct path to large military cargo planes, shipping out this trash 'round the clock.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:36 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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What is beyond debate is that the Supreme Court has upheld a district court ruling that Garcia was wrongfully deported. It is this lawlessness that troubles me.
That is fair.
"Lawless" is a pretty strong term for what the evidence shows was an administrative error.
And while it is some whataboutism, I am curious if you are just as troubled by the "lawlessness" that district court judges engage when they improperly assume jurisdiction and venue in cases, amongst other things. Because it seems like people are being very selective about what errors they get troubled about.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:40 am to LSUFAITHFUL2
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Well you would be wrong, everyone subject to the executive order is subject to deportation under the AEA unless they are naturalized citizens.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and all the citations. As to the AEA's application to Abrego Garcia's case, we will never know because the government didn't deport him on those grounds.
As to gang members generally, I think the AEA is a great tool for the President. Unfortunately, I think from its recent ruling re Boasberg, the current Supreme Court is insisting on SOME judicial review:
"The real problem is that the Supreme Court emphasized that every person named as an “alien enemy” under the AEA is entitled to judicial review. This is insane because it means that the judiciary will, once again, take unto itself the power to control foreign policy."
It's worth reading the short article from which that quote comes:
American Thinker Article
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:44 am to ABearsFanNMS
quote:Bukele kept repeating this during the media session when he and Trump answered questions in their meeting.
How can this hold considering he claimed he feared retribution from a rival gang (supposedly called the 18th Street Gang) which NO LONGER EXISTS! How can one be fearful of something that is gone?
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