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re: Tennessee police in 2022 busted Maryland thug with trafficking 7 women
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:01 am to Wellborn
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:01 am to Wellborn
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Wellborn
Where did you find the 213? That's an incredibly helpful piece of info. They have a lot of hearsay but are solid when it comes to criminal history.
Interesting what happened because DHS didn't appeal the IJ decision back in 2019. That was still Trump's DHS.
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:05 am to Rebel
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SFP also says "sex trafficking" doesn't really exist.
What an odd thing to say. For some unknown reason a quote from Shakespeare comes to mind. Something about protesting...
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:07 am to IvoryBillMatt
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8 USC 1231 doesn't change the efficacy of the Trump Immigration Judge's 2019 order prohibiting deportation to El Salvador. You think you know the law better than the ICE Field Director?
[I edited this down...we are arguing over a moot point. Abrego Garcia is gone for good. I am happy about that. It annoys me when people misstate the laws or facts, but I will let that go.]
I'm copying and pasting the law word for word. I don't have to know better than anyone. I'm simply stating the law you keep citing.
Nothing in our law says he can't be deported to El Salvador.
Absolutely nothing.
If you can find something that says otherwise, please cite it for me.
I am just arguing our law. Not whether its right or wrong to deport people, not whether a field agent knows every US law that is written down.
I'm pointing out what USC 1231, that you keep posting in multiple threads, says.
And I even went further and pasted why someone should be denied asylum. Everything points to Garcia having zero right to remain here or zero reason to not be deported to El Salvador.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:17 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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What is beyond debate is that the Supreme Court has upheld a district court ruling that Garcia was wrongfully deported. It is this lawlessness that troubles me.
As stated to you before there has not been a law broken, so your "troubles" should be moot. NO LAW is being or has been broken with returning him to his birth country. USSC simply stated it was improper, a very key use of that term in that situation by the judges.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:23 am to Dock Holiday
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NO LAW is being or has been broken with returning him to his birth country. USSC simply stated it was improper, a very key use of that term in that situation by the judges.
It was improper because his removal to El Salvador, and only El Salvador, was withheld in 2019. Removing him to El Salvador specifically violated the protection he was granted in 2019. SCOTUS said it was improper because procedurally the administration put the cart before the horse removing him to El Salvador without first stripping him of his Withholding of Removal.
IMO this is all just a big headache that will result in him being in CECOT eventually anyway. He will never step foot in the US again without being in custody of ICE.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 11:24 am to dgnx6
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If you can find something that says otherwise, please cite it for me.
I appreciate your efforts. I can't improve upon the opinion of the ICE Field Director that cites 8 USC 1231 for the proposition that the Trump Immigration Judge's protective order in 2019 legally prohibited Abrego Garcia’s deportation to El Salvador.
Read section 9 of his sworn affidavit.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:14 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply and all the citations. As to the AEA's application to Abrego Garcia's case, we will never know because the government didn't deport him on those grounds.
I think that’s where the confusion lies. The administration did deport him under the AEA. He was already adjudicated as MS13 by two immigration decisions. While he had an order not to be sent to El Salvador…that goes out the window after the AEA order designating MS13 an enemy of the state.
You say that the government didn’t deport him on those grounds. I think the government has come out disputing that and fired the attorney that didn’t advance those arguments. The fired attorney would have drafted the affidavit.
This whole rigamarole is for nothing. Like I said, even if El Salvador sent him back, we would turn around and send him back and advance the actual reason he was deported and why the 2019 order was legally ignored…because of the AEA.
This has literally been some sort of gotcha game that will amount to nothing.
I also think the Dems are falling into a very dangerous trap here. All this chicken little sky is falling nonsense reveals their willingness to defend the worst of the illegals here. I mean is this the hill to die on for dems? This is why they didn’t win the election. They keep picking fights that the majority of Americans do not support.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:23 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I would've liked this to have come out as Sen. Van Hollen's plane took off for El Salvador, followed by a phone call from Trump with the news & demanding that the plane turn around and return home immediately.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:25 pm to alphaandomega
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For some unknown reason a quote from Shakespeare comes to mind. Something about protesting...
Willy Shakes' order of operations was spot on.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:26 pm to 2020_reVISION
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:53 pm to JimEverett
“I am curious if you are just as troubled by the "lawlessness" that district court judges engage when they improperly assume jurisdiction and venue in cases, amongst other things.”
You’re asking me to compare a specific case to a generality, but even so, I think I can say “yes.” Issues may not be as clear as the Garcia case with a 9-0 SC decision, but yeah. I’ll give a clear example: Biden’s student loan forgiveness and Covid era rent control had me at least as troubled as the Garcia situation bc they were so clearly outside the scope of executive power.
You’re asking me to compare a specific case to a generality, but even so, I think I can say “yes.” Issues may not be as clear as the Garcia case with a 9-0 SC decision, but yeah. I’ll give a clear example: Biden’s student loan forgiveness and Covid era rent control had me at least as troubled as the Garcia situation bc they were so clearly outside the scope of executive power.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:54 pm to VoxDawg
Nuh uh!!!
:sticking fingers in ears:
Lalalalalalalalala
:sticking fingers in ears:
Lalalalalalalalala
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:56 pm to the808bass
It's gonna be a rough go for the "If true..." baws.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 1:59 pm to LSUFAITHFUL2
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While he had an order not to be sent to El Salvador…that goes out the window after the AEA order designating MS13 an enemy of the state.
You're probably right, but I am not sure the Supreme Court would agree with you. It seems as if they are committed to some sort of judicial review even under AEA.
I agree with you completely that the whole rigamarole is pointless. Even if returned (which will never happen), Abrego Garcia would have been deported almost immediately either through dissolution of the El Salvador "protection order" or a straight AEA analysis.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:08 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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I appreciate your efforts. I can't improve upon the opinion of the ICE Field Director that cites 8 USC 1231 for the proposition that the Trump Immigration Judge's protective order in 2019 legally prohibited Abrego Garcia’s deportation to El Salvador.
"Pursuant to usc 1231"
So read 1231.
It doesn't say he can't be deported to El Salvador. No laws were broken, no constitution balled up and thrown out.
That has been the entire point of my post.
You should read it. It clearly states the Ag can remove them if deemed a threat. Pam Bondi is the AG. MS13 is designated a terrorist organization.
He was found in court to be an ms13 gang member.
That whole asylum thing goes out the window. He has no right to asylum in this country and should be deported to his country of birth.
EL SALVADOR
here i will quote this part again for you. Or just read the fricking thing.
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(3) Restriction on removal to a country where alien's life or freedom would be threatened.
(A) In general. Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Attorney General may not remove an
alien to a country if the Attorney General decides that the alien's life or freedom would be threatened in
that country because of the alien's race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group,
or political opinion.
(B) Exception. Subparagraph (A) does not apply to an alien deportable under section 237(a)(4)(D)
[8 USCS § 1227(a)(4)(D)] or if the Attorney General decides that-
Here is an exception to that rule
quote:
(iv) there are reasonable grounds to believe that the alien is a danger to the security of the United
States.
here is another
quote:
(i) the alien ordered, incited, assisted, or otherwise participated in the persecution of an individual
because of the individual's race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or
political opinion;
These are reasons you can be deported back to your country even if you are trying to claim asylum.
And again, it says he entered the US in 2011. He should have claimed asylum within 1 year, not in 2019.
I'm not arguing the morals of this. I am literally posting what the laws say.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:13 pm to LSUFAITHFUL2
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The administration did deport him under the AEA.
I don't think that's true. He went through regular 240 proceedings back in 2019.
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that goes out the window after the AEA order designating MS13 an enemy of the state.
Not necessarily. Anyone saying for sure one way or another is guessing. SCOTUS will decide the answer soon, but the AEA has never been used this way before. No idea how SCOTUS rules because I don't know enough about the AEA to form an opinion, but I've read convincing arguments on both sides.
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I also think the Dems are falling into a very dangerous trap here. All this chicken little sky is falling nonsense reveals their willingness to defend the worst of the illegals here. I mean is this the hill to die on for dems? This is why they didn’t win the election. They keep picking fights that the majority of Americans do not support.
This is 100000000000% right. It is why there was a thread earlier that no shows over half of Americans want ALL illegals in the country to be deported. When you make martyrs out of gang members and Hamas supporters you lose the sympathy you could have picked up from middle of the road Americans.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 2:40 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
The specific case is the AEA case where Judge Boasberg illegally (using the loose language that is used in tgecGarcia case) assumed jurisdiction.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 3:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Bump
Posted on 4/17/25 at 3:56 pm to LSUFAITHFUL2
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The administration did deport him under the AEA.
LSUFaithful, I like this argument. Why hasn't DOJ amended its pleadings to assert that deportation was made under AEA?
I found an Executive Order tying removal of TDA members to the AEA, but I couldn't find one for MS-13. Maybe it exists, and I couldn't find it...but MS-13 was founded in California (still part of the USA whether or not we like it).
It would be hard to argue that MS-13 is complicit with government of El Salvador which is necessary for AEA.
Thoughts when you get time?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 3:57 pm to lionward2014
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SCOTUS will decide the answer soon,
SCOTUS is a circus of retard clowns.
Their "opinion" does not dictate truth.
Quit relying on them, it makes you stupid.
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