re: Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus

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OK sure. My points have been that the mRNA vax does not alter one's DNA. That there are not huge numbers of people dying from the vaccine. That mandates and coercion to get the vaccine are absolutely despicable.

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You have been promoting this bullshite from the beginning. You can't un-take the jab. There is absolutely nothing "scientific" about any of this, unless "science" is a religion... which it is at this point.

You pointing out whether someone has a degree is kind the problem, all one needed to see how fubar this is and has been... is probably a High School science class and maybe an ounce of common sense.

There is a reason why there things called processes, control groups, and testing.

Its called making up bullshite.

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I don't know what he knows or doesn't

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Sorry to derail but his take was against all anti vax without reason

We all would love to get any actual info on that subject but I doubt our government will help

Logic tells me that doctoring with our bodies dna is not good

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control groups

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Speaking of which….

A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta….

With early vaccination and outstanding data, country is the world’s real-life COVID-19 lab.

“Now is a critical time,” Israeli Minister of Health Nitzan Horowitz said as the 56-year-old got a COVID-19 booster shot on 13 August, the day his country became the first nation to offer a third dose of vaccine to people as young as age 50. “We’re in a race against the pandemic.”

His message was meant for his fellow Israelis, but it is a warning to the world. Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated, the vast majority with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet the country is now logging one of the world’s highest infection rates, with nearly 650 new cases daily per million people. More than half are in fully vaccinated people, underscoring the extraordinary transmissibility of the Delta variant and stoking concerns that the benefits of vaccination ebb over time.

The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die. But Israel’s experience is forcing the booster issue onto the radar for other nations, suggesting as it does that even the best vaccinated countries will face a Delta surge.

“This is a very clear warning sign for the rest of world,” says Ran Balicer, chief innovation officer at Clalit Health Services (CHS), Israel’s largest health maintenance organization (HMO). “If it can happen here, it can probably happen everywhere.”

We can see the data in 55 years

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while im not crazy4lsu it doesnt make any sense whatsoever that vaccines would be prolonging the pandemic. if the vaccines work then it reduces the potential reservoir and would shorten the course of the pandemic. If they dont work then there is no difference.

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What are the infection/reinfection rates broken down by symptomatic and asymptomatic for:

1. Vaccinated with no prior natural immunity
2. Vaccinated with prior natural immunity
3. Natural immunity

If you can’t give us these based in real data, then I don’t know how you can know that the vaccines aren’t prolonging the “pandemic” unless your argument is there is zero difference between vaccine immunity and natural immunity, which I don’t think anyone other than Fauci is making.

Because this information has not been developed (I’ll be pleasantly shocked if you can answer my questions), people go by anecdotal info and intuition. For some that results in extreme views (that you/others lampoon), but there are orders of magnitude more people like me that are simply skeptical of everything the “experts” have proclaimed about the virus/vaccines because nearly none of prior proclamations have proven accurate, and this whole shitshow is clearly political AF and a money/power grab of extreme order. Many of us have scientific or engineering backgrounds, so while not MDs or virologists, we can read what is written and get a sense/gist of what seems plausible and what doesn’t.

Anecdotally, it sure seems vaccinated people are getting infected and reinfected at rates higher than those with natural immunity. If this is true, and I’d love to see scientific evidence it’s not, but if it is - it seems to me an argument that the vaccines are prolonging the “pandemic” is reasonable.

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Gender spectrum evangelists and antivax worshippers generally have the same level of scientific understanding

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What’s the science of being able to enter a sports stadium with one shot but you aren’t considered vaccinated until 2 weeks after your second?

You nazis can’t even answer simple questions on why the measures we are taking makes sense.

Like vaccinating 5 year olds.

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Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus

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It has already been admitted that it isn't a vaccine it is gene therapy by the president of Bayer.

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Well, you had said that letting virus run its course also carries with it the gigantic risk of mutation so doesn't the link showed that mass vaccination does as well?

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But where mutations occur is meaningful. The danger of letting the virus run its course is subclinical infection in a subset of the population that may be isolated from other populations for a period of time, which might drive viral recombination events.

Geert's theory doesn't seem to be bearing out, as the Delts variant, which is incredibly infectious, is pre-vaccine and involves only a few mutations at the spike protein. Otherwise tying vaccination to the most pathogenic portion of the virus is the most sound molecular strategy. I don't think any of the variants of concern are from the post-vaccination era, as they all seem to have started in December of 2020. So far, Geert doesn't seem to be correct.

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But where mutations occur is meaningful. The danger of letting the virus run its course is subclinical infection in a subset of the population that may be isolated from other populations for a period of time, which might drive viral recombination events.

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Are you implying that subclinical infection does not occur among the vaccinated?

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Geert's theory doesn't seem to be bearing out, as the Delts variant, which is incredibly infectious, is pre-vaccine and involves only a few mutations at the spike protein.

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Vaccines are not the only way for the virus to placed under immune pressure - lockdowns are another example.

Here is a paper that concludes 'significant frequencies':

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Spike amino acid substitutions and deletions that impact neutralizing antibodies are present at significant frequencies in the global virus population, and there is emerging evidence of variants exhibiting resistance to antibody-mediated immunity elicited by vaccines.

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If you can’t give us these based in real data, then I don’t know how you can know that the vaccines aren’t prolonging the “pandemic” unless your argument is there is zero difference between vaccine immunity and natural immunity, which I don’t think anyone other than Fauci is making.

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thats not what I said at all. theres really 2 ways you can look at the vaccines they work or they dont. if they do work and reduce infection that would end the pandy faster since there is a smaller reservoir. if the vaccines dont work then there should be no difference in the progress of the pandy. im not even asserting that the vaccine is worthwhile risk:benefit on an individual basis.

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Because this information has not been developed (I’ll be pleasantly shocked if you can answer my questions), people go by anecdotal info and intuition. For some that results in extreme views (that you/others lampoon), but there are orders of magnitude more people like me that are simply skeptical of everything the “experts” have proclaimed about the virus/vaccines because nearly none of prior proclamations have proven accurate, and this whole shitshow is clearly political AF and a money/power grab of extreme order. Many of us have scientific or engineering backgrounds, so while not MDs or virologists, we can read what is written and get a sense/gist of what seems plausible and what doesn’t.

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none of what im talking about has anything to do with power grabs or political shite. and if your science background is decent enough you would understand that in vitro studies can 'prove/suggest' many things that are very incorrect in vitro.

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Anecdotally, it sure seems vaccinated people are getting infected and reinfected at rates higher than those with natural immunity. If this is true, and I’d love to see scientific evidence it’s not, but if it is - it seems to me an argument that the vaccines are prolonging the “pandemic” is reasonable.

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although I dont think your anecdote is supported. if that were the case then it would be speeding up the end of the pandemic by covid running through the population faster with more people developing natural immunity. this data is also a moving target considering people can get covid before they get vaccinated etc, natural mutations that have existed that were not measured in the vaccine trials. theres many factors in motion and im not sure the 3 questions you asked