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re: Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus

Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by NashvilleTider
Your Mom
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:04 pm to
Saw this today - if you’ve had covid and still get the vax you are a fool. And no way will my kids get vaxxxed
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6793 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:05 pm to
Sure you are. Self published.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38326 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:08 pm to
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I don't have to answer the questions. This isn't a court room and I'm not on trial.

Summary will be fine. I mean is it Nobel like stuff or just a pre-print; or a guy walking down the street to his job? I mean, lots of people on here that post scientific links can at least have a discussion about its contents. I'm curious - really.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:08 pm to
Lol.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3688 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:09 pm to
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This isn't a court room and I'm not on trial.




But it is supposed to be a forum for informed discussion and debate.
Posted by ruzil
WNC
Member since Feb 2012
18376 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:09 pm to
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Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79898 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:13 pm to
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Sure you are. Self published
You didn’t go to college or a graduate program, did you?
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6793 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:22 pm to
Oh you mean you dissertation?
Lol. Idjot.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:26 pm to
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Oh you mean you dissertation?
Lol. Idjot.


Lol my god.
Posted by pointman
new orleans
Member since Dec 2010
2734 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:27 pm to
And they are giving this shite to kids. The parents should be arrested for child abuse. fricking idiots.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40226 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:28 pm to
Diamond how old are you?? You just had a baby. Well your wife did.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 8:30 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
79898 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Oh you mean you dissertation?
Uhhh...no.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38326 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 8:34 pm to
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Diamond how old are you?? You just had a baby. Well your wife did.


There is a guy on here that is Diamond Dog. I have a granddaughter. So, I promise it's not me.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40226 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:25 pm to
Oh my bad.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:29 pm to
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And no way will my kids get vaxxxed

why the 3 x’s ?
Posted by idsrdum
Member since Jan 2017
624 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:31 pm to
In an attempt to get your thread back on topic - here is a quote from the paper. Fairly easy to come away with the opinion that perhaps the vaccines are not as safe as we were led to believe. But hey, if you experts can argue with what Dr. Raszek said, please do share your knowledge.

quote:

This suggests that the use of antigenic epitopes
of the spike as a SARS–CoV–2 vaccine might be safer and more efficacious than the full–length spike. Taken together, we identified one of the potentially important mechanisms of SARS–CoV–2 suppression of the host adaptive immune machinery. Furthermore, our findings also imply a potential side effect of the full–length spike–based vaccine. This work will improve the understanding of COVID–19 pathogenesis and provide new strategies for designing more efficient and safer vaccines.


LINK

Dr. Raszek is quite good at presenting info and seems to be fair minded. He does a great job here with the immune escape theory of Geert Vanden Bossche.

Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23974 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:33 pm to
Well I am falling apart after all those jabs.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11337 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 9:45 pm to
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I took the Pfizer but I'm old. I refuse to take the booster because I'm not taking a booster every 6 months.


You took a shot that gives 6 months "protection" but then refuse to take a booster even though the "pandemic" is still going? Seems illogical.

If covid is such a threat that you needed a vaccine, why would you not continue to ensure you are protected?
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11337 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:09 pm to
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Like every antivaxxer on this board, he spouts shite about which he has zero understanding, and often posts links that directly contradict the points they're trying to make.

Gender spectrum evangelists and antivax worshippers generally have the same level of scientific understanding.


And you vaxholes repeatedly ignore evidence of negative side effects and continue to act like you're intellectually superior while believing the same people that have lied to you for 2 straight years. Many of you also refuse to accept proven effective treatments that don't involve a shitty vaccine.

The vaccine is 95% effective. Well, actually it's only 80%. Oops, our mistake, it's only 60%. Oh shite, it's actually only 20% effective after only a few months.

The vaccine provides immunity. Well, that's not true, but it stops the spread. Sorry, we were wrong about that as well. It will help stop deaths though.
Trust us. Just don't look at studies showing little difference between high vax areas and low vax areas.

We have absolutely no clue about the long term side effects and every mRNA vaccine tried before has been an abysmal failure, but this one is a godsend, we promise. Just inject this, ignore your lying eyes, and don't ask questions.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39817 posts
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:31 pm to
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Fairly easy to come away with the opinion that perhaps the vaccines are not as safe as we were led to believe


I don't know how you can come to that conclusion, as there is nothing that the a full-length spike protein vaccine does that the virus itself doesn't do. If the spike protein subunits are inhibiting V(D)J recombination, that might indeed suggest that basing a vaccine on the spike protein, but it also has implications for long-term natural immunity. This is one particular aspect of the immunity discussion that I don't understand, as some aspects of this study suggest several things. First, it suggests several decades of evolution, as getting that degree of such specific immune evasion isn't something that is generally novel. Secondly, if the spike protein inhibits somatic recombination, that is a far more serious suggestion that affects so much more than any one single vaccine program, as the long-term sequelae of COVID itself would be immunodeficiency. Thirdly, I would have liked a little more discussion of subunit interaction, as they don't quantify the decrease in efficiency of NHEJ and HR repair discretely, though there is a decrease which they suggest is not significant. This would be a place for further study, as if the spike protein subunits also decrease efficiency of repair mechanisms, then there isn't a reason to focus vaccine design on antigenic epitopes associated with the region at all. Thankfully, without a direct method of infecting lymphocyte precursors, which the researchers admit, then I'm extremely skeptical that this is actually having an effect on somatic recombination, and that antibody response is preceding as it would with any other antigenic material.
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