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re: Swedish study shows Vaccine Spike Protein Enters Nucleus
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:34 pm to idsrdum
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:34 pm to idsrdum
Vaccines take years and years to develop, with tons of testing, double-blind studies...
These clot-shots were rolled out in about 9 months. From what I understand, we are not allowed to view the studies and testing of these clot-shots.
Now we are seeing people who are having adverse reactions.
People are developing myocarditis, seizures, young healthy athletes are falling out on the field off play, people are having heart attacks, strokes...and we are seeing pre-mature deaths.
Even young children as young a 7 years old are developing myocarditis and other maladies.
Many have seen their health destroyed and they may never recover.
We are seeing that folks who took the clots-shot are still contracting the fauxi-flu and even spreading it.
We are now seeing reports that pfizer may have covered up adverse reactions during their so-called testing phases.
We are not seeing these adverse, sometimes deadly reports in the CCP-DNC controlled propaganda complexes line cnn, msnbc, see-BS...
The closet thing we have in tracking the deaths and adverse reactions is the VAERs reporting system.
Don't take these experimental shots. The only ones who are benefiting is big pharm, and the politicians.
Get healthy, lose weight, take Vits D, C, quecertin, zinc sulfate.
Get some ivermectin, HCQ if all possible if you get the fauxi-flu. Get some of that horse paste as a back-up.
There is other stuff you can take such as black cumin seed, lysine.
Get with your doctor and have a plan in case you come down with the CCP-virus. If they tell you to get the clot-shot, fire them and find another doctor.
Find out where there is a monoclonal treatment center in your area in case you contract the fauxi-flu.
Get a couple of good thermometers and a good blood oxygen-meter.
The major key is to get treatment as soon as you suspect the fauxi-flu.
I have lost several close associates and friends to this stuff.
Don't fool around with this stuff, it was engineered to kill.
These clot-shots were rolled out in about 9 months. From what I understand, we are not allowed to view the studies and testing of these clot-shots.
Now we are seeing people who are having adverse reactions.
People are developing myocarditis, seizures, young healthy athletes are falling out on the field off play, people are having heart attacks, strokes...and we are seeing pre-mature deaths.
Even young children as young a 7 years old are developing myocarditis and other maladies.
Many have seen their health destroyed and they may never recover.
We are seeing that folks who took the clots-shot are still contracting the fauxi-flu and even spreading it.
We are now seeing reports that pfizer may have covered up adverse reactions during their so-called testing phases.
We are not seeing these adverse, sometimes deadly reports in the CCP-DNC controlled propaganda complexes line cnn, msnbc, see-BS...
The closet thing we have in tracking the deaths and adverse reactions is the VAERs reporting system.
Don't take these experimental shots. The only ones who are benefiting is big pharm, and the politicians.
Get healthy, lose weight, take Vits D, C, quecertin, zinc sulfate.
Get some ivermectin, HCQ if all possible if you get the fauxi-flu. Get some of that horse paste as a back-up.
There is other stuff you can take such as black cumin seed, lysine.
Get with your doctor and have a plan in case you come down with the CCP-virus. If they tell you to get the clot-shot, fire them and find another doctor.
Find out where there is a monoclonal treatment center in your area in case you contract the fauxi-flu.
Get a couple of good thermometers and a good blood oxygen-meter.
The major key is to get treatment as soon as you suspect the fauxi-flu.
I have lost several close associates and friends to this stuff.
Don't fool around with this stuff, it was engineered to kill.
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Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:44 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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And you vaxholes repeatedly ignore evidence of negative side effects and continue to act like you're intellectually superior while believing the same people that have lied to you for 2 straight years. Many of you also refuse to accept proven effective treatments that don't involve a shitty vaccine.
The vaccine is 95% effective. Well, actually it's only 80%. Oops, our mistake, it's only 60%. Oh shite, it's actually only 20% effective after only a few months.
The vaccine provides immunity. Well, that's not true, but it stops the spread. Sorry, we were wrong about that as well. It will help stop deaths though.
Trust us. Just don't look at studies showing little difference between high vax areas and low vax areas.
We have absolutely no clue about the long term side effects and every mRNA vaccine tried before has been an abysmal failure, but this one is a godsend, we promise. Just inject this, ignore your lying eyes, and don't ask questions.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 10:44 pm to RiverCityTider
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Want to know if I've read the paper.
Yes. Have you?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:34 pm to crazy4lsu
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I don't know how you can come to that conclusion, as there is nothing that the a full-length spike protein vaccine does that the virus itself doesn't do.
100%. there is no reason to believe the vaccine spike proteins can do anything the virus itself does not do. There is even less reason to believe it can do more damage considering there are many more proteins involved in the disease. I agree with your first point which is unquoted.
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If the spike protein subunits are inhibiting V(D)J recombination, that might indeed suggest that basing a vaccine on the spike protein, but it also has implications for long-term natural immunity.
not really, the spike proteins persist for a few weeks. even if you assume it does in-fact affect the cells where vdj rombination occurs (which there is currently 0 evidence of) that means at most the impact on immunity is as long as the individual antibodies persist (months). after the spike proteins are gone there would no longer be interference with vdj recombination.
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Thirdly, I would have liked a little more discussion of subunit interaction, as they don't quantify the decrease in efficiency of NHEJ and HR repair discretely, though there is a decrease which they suggest is not significant.
subunit interaction is highly important, but, there are also more mechanisms of repair than NHEJ and HR. I dont beleive VDJ recombination has anything to do with these mechanisms just that Baltimore class 2 viruses disrupt important processes in the nucleus. study leaves a lot to be desired.
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This would be a place for further study, as if the spike protein subunits also decrease efficiency of repair mechanisms, then there isn't a reason to focus vaccine design on antigenic epitopes associated with the region at all.
mixed opinion here. I agree it warrants further study but antigenic epitopes are the hallmark of all types of vaccination. the entire mechanism of antibodies (and vaccines) is binding epitopes. but with this particular virus having significant antigenic drift there may be a reason to study different mechanisms.
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Thankfully, without a direct method of infecting lymphocyte precursors, which the researchers admit, then I'm extremely skeptical that this is actually having an effect on somatic recombination, and that antibody response is preceding as it would with any other antigenic material.
this is the most important part of the study. they acknowledge there is 0 evidence suggesting that in reality it does what they say it can potentially do. There is 0 evidence covid nor the vaccine can bind or infect these cells outside of purposefully inducing it in vitro.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:37 pm to Reubaltaich
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From what I understand
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:55 pm to RiverCityTider
a buncha doctors and scientists were saying the same thing over a year ago.
they said not to take that leaky shot, it's not even a vaccine as it doesn't work or function as one. damages your dna, will shorten your natural lifespan and is bad for your heart.
this info was out over a year ago.
fricking sheeple. i don't wish any ill on those who took the shot, but it's not gonna be pretty down the road.
they said not to take that leaky shot, it's not even a vaccine as it doesn't work or function as one. damages your dna, will shorten your natural lifespan and is bad for your heart.
this info was out over a year ago.
fricking sheeple. i don't wish any ill on those who took the shot, but it's not gonna be pretty down the road.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:07 am to CDawson
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Isn’t that what the mRNA technology was designed to do?
mRNA technology is similar to a gun, it doesn't kill anyone, the owner in "hand" decides whether to use it for either defense or as a murder weapon.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:45 am to AMS
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after the spike proteins are gone there would no longer be interference with vdj recombination.
Given that this is unlikely, if there is even transient interruption with RAG mediated somatic recombination, I would figure you’d see symptoms of something like Omenn syndrome, as well as the possibility of impaired antibody response to the spike protein itself. I don’t think we see this clinically, but regardless, given how much effort has been spent trying to tie immunodeficiency to the vaccine, there doesn’t seem to be any effort at tying the typical sequelae of immunodeficiency to the vaccine, which is an odd argument to make. I mean, if I was arguing about possible impaired immune response beyond the virus, I would certainly mention PJP, yet I haven’t seen anyone mention that bug in any of the literature.
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I dont beleive VDJ recombination has anything to do with these mechanisms
NHEJ is definitely involved in VDJ recombination. They didn’t really do a good job in their introduction, as they should have had several more paragraphs explaining the background.
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antigenic epitopes are the hallmark of all types of vaccination. the entire mechanism of antibodies (and vaccines) is binding epitopes. but with this particular virus having significant antigenic drift there may be a reason to study different mechanisms.
Honestly, it would beggar belief that any one involved in the vaccine design didn’t already model several epitopes through some type of epitope mapping or X-ray crystallography or any other technique we’ve used to determine epitope sites. Still, I could see an argument for basing a vaccine on the 4406-5900 region of ORF1ab poly protein, as I do believe that is highly conserved between COVID and MERS and could possibly serve as a way of providing protection for both viruses. My point here is that the choice of the spike protein was purposeful, and in molecular terms it was a good choice, but we have options enough that we can use other motifs if need be.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 12:46 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:58 am to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
c4l -2 questions for you, if you’ll indulge me.
1. Does it make any sense to at least question whether the vaccines, at the end of the day, are prolonging the pandemic? IOW if we had just let the virus run its course and natural immunity do it’s thing, could we have put the difficult shot behind us more quickly? And for the moment, leave alone the argument about some number of lives being saved (a different question).
2. Do you see in experience/data to date any cause for concern re: long-term (and serious) issues of the vaccines?
Posted on 11/21/21 at 2:10 am to David_DJS
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1. Does it make any sense to at least question whether the vaccines, at the end of the day, are prolonging the pandemic? IOW if we had just let the virus run its course and natural immunity do it’s thing, could we have put the difficult shot behind us more quickly? And for the moment, leave alone the argument about some number of lives being saved (a different question).
while im not crazy4lsu it doesnt make any sense whatsoever that vaccines would be prolonging the pandemic. if the vaccines work then it reduces the potential reservoir and would shorten the course of the pandemic. If they dont work then there is no difference.
if you feel the vaccines are not worthwhile on an individual risk:benefit basis that is a different conversation.
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2. Do you see in experience/data to date any cause for concern re: long-term (and serious) issues of the vaccines?
there is no significant evidence of this to date. there is much less reason to suggest it would cause long term issues that covid itself does not cause seeing as covid has more proteins involved in the disease process than spike proteins alone from the vaccine.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 5:00 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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And you vaxholes repeatedly ignore evidence of negative side effects and continue to act like you're intellectually superior while believing the same people that have lied to you for 2 straight years. Many of you also refuse to accept proven effective treatments that don't involve a shitty vaccine.
The vaccine is 95% effective. Well, actually it's only 80%. Oops, our mistake, it's only 60%. Oh shite, it's actually only 20% effective after only a few months.
Post of the year that none of the smarmy, holier than thou vaxholes on here will have the intellectual honesty to address.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 5:08 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:Not when they lied to me in order to take the first 2. They had their chance with me. I'll take my chances with mAb from here on out if I'm not too white according to Biden's priorities for its dispensing.
You took a shot that gives 6 months "protection" but then refuse to take a booster even though the is still going? Seems illogical.
I really wanted RiverCity to explain it. I was genuinely curious.
quote:This word needs a definition review.
"pandemic"
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 5:48 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 5:18 am to Lawyered
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Everyone was so hell bent on making a vaccine because we have to do something What if we just didn’t do anything? And let it blow through… hard to know what the long term affects are from the vaccine itself vs the risk of Covid itself
That’s what we should have done, and it’s what the Swedes did - let the virus blow through while isolating the vulnerable as much as possible. Then, when the vaccines are ready, folks can get them or not as they choose.
But this thread is basically BS. The vaccines are proving to be very safe, and folks who have not had covid are much better off getting vaccinated.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 5:47 am to Evolved Simian
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Like every antivaxxer on this board, he spouts shite about which he has zero understanding,
Hey dickwad… care to discuss the adverse effects like afib causing hospitalization and heart damage?
Is that a legitimate reason to be anti vax or is that more “nonsense”
Amazing how ignorant you and others are to the damages caused specifically by this vaccine
Posted on 11/21/21 at 5:53 am to dafif
quote:I don't know what he knows or doesn't know but if you want that discussed, start your own. I want to hear more about the DNA damage and interference with repair causing one to be more susceptible to cancer. That's significant if true but we can't get anyone to discuss it.
Hey dickwad… care to discuss the adverse effects like afib causing hospitalization and heart damage?
Is that a legitimate reason to be anti vax or is that more “nonsense”
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:15 am to AMS
had a thread on a similar topic maybe even the same. its an in vitro study which has many issues and does not necessarily represent in vivo studies.
So you are saying test tube versus complex living organism can be different? It disagrees what many here think so they down vote you even though you are correct.
Well 99 percent of the people here don't even understand this so they down vote you.
Thank you for explaining it to us knowing that you will be down voted.
So you are saying test tube versus complex living organism can be different? It disagrees what many here think so they down vote you even though you are correct.
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research is focused on impairing vdj recombination. which occurs in the cells there is no evidence covid can infect. its an interesting thought and consideration but of dubious clinical significance at this point.
Well 99 percent of the people here don't even understand this so they down vote you.
Thank you for explaining it to us knowing that you will be down voted.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:40 am to David_DJS
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1. Does it make any sense to at least question whether the vaccines, at the end of the day, are prolonging the pandemic? IOW if we had just let the virus run its course and natural immunity do it’s thing, could we have put the difficult shot behind us more quickly? And for the moment, leave alone the argument about some number of lives being saved (a different question).
I'm skeptical they are prolonging anything, as the inverse situation of letting the virus run its course also carries with it the gigantic risk of mutation. Evolution goes both ways, as there are evolutionary mechanism at play for both the host and the virus. Not only that, the distribution of the virus is never even across a population. We are just living through the development of a vaccine program, where it takes time to develop the optimum strategy.
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2. Do you see in experience/data to date any cause for concern re: long-term (and serious) issues of the vaccines?
No, nothing that has presented in clinic or hospital. We've seen a lot of incredibly fricked up post-Covid cases though. There's no risk to the vaccine that isn't already a risk of vaccination, and even the instances of thrombotic events tied to the vaccines have to occur in the setting of preexisting endothelial injury, as the pathophysiology of thrombus formation is based on Virchow's triad, which is hypercoagulability, endothelial damage, and venous stasis.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:48 am to Evolved Simian
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Gender spectrum evangelists and antivax worshippers generally have the same level of scientific understanding.
Instead of the "understanding" that says covid came from a chinese wet market?
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 7:49 am
Posted on 11/21/21 at 7:53 am to RiverCityTider
Lol y’all need some sleep
Posted on 11/21/21 at 8:28 am to crazy4lsu
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I don't know how you can come to that conclusion, as there is nothing that the a full-length spike protein vaccine does that the virus itself doesn't do.
Because we were told repeatedly the vaccines are safe, not the spike in the vaccine is no more dangerous than the spike from the virus.
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