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re: Supreme Court Live re Birthright Citizenship and Nationwide Injunctions
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:56 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:56 pm to oklahogjr
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Quite the uninformed opinion. What kind of data would you cite to support this?
What data do you have to support the position that we don't have enough illegals in the country?
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Posted on 5/16/25 at 1:57 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
Forgive my response. The founders had nothing to do with this. This is Civil War stuff.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:25 pm to MizzouBS
The government allowing mass illegal immigration at the scale it has happened was unfathomable back then yet birthright citizenship has been unchanged. On the other hand, sure, modern weapons were unfathomable as well, that's why there have been new restrictions, and get this, background checks are required.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:26 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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Based on a loophole.
It was a ridiculous decision when it was made. Compounding it wi the millions of uneducated leeches on our social system doesn’t make it better.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That is a fair comparison of using the MAGA logic on the 2A, yes.
No it isn't.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 2:58 pm to Turbeauxdog
Yes, the "assault rifle" denoting how society has changed is the same argument as the "well society can't handle birthright citizenship today"
The Constitution can be amended to ebb and flow with societal change. That's why the "we only had muskets when the 2A was written" argument is dumb.
The Constitution can be amended to ebb and flow with societal change. That's why the "we only had muskets when the 2A was written" argument is dumb.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:08 pm to David_DJS
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Based on a loophole. It is a loophole the founders could never have conceived of.
There a lot of things the founders couldn’t have predicted. That’s one of the reasons the Constitution is a living document. The Constitution and Bill of Rights wasn’t supported by all the founders. It was something that was debated for years.
The 4 main authors of the Constitution, James Madison, John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and Gouverneur Morris were all Federalist in favor of strong central government. The Bill of Rights was driven by the Anti-Federalist movement that changed parts of the constitution to give the states more rights.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:23 pm to MizzouBS
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There a lot of things the founders couldn’t have predicted. That’s one of the reasons the Constitution is a living document.
You mean "living document" as in it can be amended, right?
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The Constitution can be amended
The constitution does not need to be amended only stupid jurisprudence rejected.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:47 pm to hogcard1964
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Prepare to be disappointed again
ACB will absolutely vote with the Dem crew
Posted on 5/16/25 at 3:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You mean "living document" as in it can be amended, right?
All but states having equal representation in the federal government can be amended. States being represented equally in the Senate is an entrenchment clause in the constitution that can’t be amended.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 4:46 pm to IvoryBillMatt
They may get so wrapped up with the
national injunction issue that they don’t issue a clear ruling on Birthright citizenship.
I hope that’s not the case.
national injunction issue that they don’t issue a clear ruling on Birthright citizenship.
I hope that’s not the case.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You mean "living document" as in it can be amended, right?
Of course. Why hasn't congress amended the federal immigration statutes on the books? Until that happens, its codified law.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:02 pm to VOR
They are not addressing birthright citizenship yet....
Posted on 5/16/25 at 5:10 pm to dafif
I’m so much more interested in them collaring the federal court activism than the birthright citizenship issue
Posted on 5/16/25 at 6:03 pm to kilo
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Of course. Why hasn't congress amended the federal immigration statutes on the books? Until that happens, its codified law.
14th Amendment "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside”.
This was upheld 7-2 by the SC in 1898. It was a case and decision made about a Chinese-American man who left the country and was denied re-entry because of the Chinese Exclusion Act. United States v. Wong Kim Ark
For Congress to pass an Amendment would be almost impossible. Getting 3/4’s of the states on the same page is not going to happen.
This post was edited on 5/16/25 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 5/16/25 at 6:07 pm to MizzouBS
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and subject to the jurisdiction thereof
So when this was passed, everyone born in the US was a citizen. Correct?
Posted on 5/16/25 at 6:09 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The constitution does not need to be amended only stupid jurisprudence rejected.
YoU‘Re nOt bEiNg a GoOd TeXtuaLiSt!
Posted on 5/16/25 at 6:33 pm to the808bass
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So when this was passed, everyone born in the US was a citizen. Correct?
Not everyeone. There are 3 exceptions to the rule for populations not "subject to the jurisdiction of" the US.
Posted on 5/16/25 at 7:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There are 3 exceptions to the rule for populations not "subject to the jurisdiction of" the US.
Which part of the constitution lists them?
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