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re: Stats don't indicate a good trend for America and your children

Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:44 am to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:44 am to
A ticket to The Warped Tour cost just $45 in 2018. It costs over $250 in 2025.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:49 am to
My 27 year old just bought her first home. Very proud of her decision and financial habits that led to having plenty of cash. Bought a nice, neat older home in a really cool neighborhood. Didnt know she was that big of an outlier.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:49 am to
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A ticket to The Warped Tour cost just $45 in 2018. It costs over $250 in 2025.

All entertainment has exploded in price.

Average NFL ticket was $62 in 2006 and $120 now.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7931 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:58 am to
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Three of my four children owned their own homes by the time they were 28.

Were they single or double incomes?

Did they get help on the down payment from family?

Did they have a degree, and were they carrying debt from the degree?

I got my first house at 33, I got married at 31, I finished paying off student loans at 32.

Single income, zero family help of any kind.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55553 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:07 am to
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Were they single or double incomes?

Did they get help on the down payment from family?

Did they have a degree, and were they carrying debt from the degree?

I got my first house at 33, I got married at 31, I finished paying off student loans at 32.


One was single income. The other two were double. No debt from degrees, and all had them. No help on downpayments.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38003 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:22 am to
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Well, when you have $100k in college debt and a degree in Philosophy then your options are not there.

But they can quote, line-for-line, page 247 of The Feminine Mystique!

That totally makes them entitled to free shite paid for by everyone else.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7931 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:32 am to
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No debt from degrees, and all had them.


In my case that was the magic bullet, all of a sudden a few hundred extra available per month.

I probably should have bought in 2011 as that was market bottom, but it took me a couple more years to scrape up a minimum down payment.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64364 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:33 am to
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I was married and we bought a home at 31.

I’m 34 now



You live in Mississippi.
Posted by GoblinGuide
Member since Nov 2017
2113 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:35 am to
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I fail to see how that is a bad thing.


The bad thing is that there are no more 60k homes to buy.
Posted by AuburnTigers
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:39 am to
Civil rights act of 1964 has entered the chat
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17419 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:47 am to
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The bad thing is that there are no more 60k homes to buy.



Incomes are higher now than they were when those 60k homes were bought.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17135 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:52 am to
My daughter (no pics) bought her house at 24. She had scholarships for college and after graduating she got a job. She lived in an apartment for a couple of years. She then moved back in with my wife and I for 1 year and saved her money and used that money for the down payment on the house.

She is single but rents one of the bedrooms out to a travel nurse. The rent covers about 75% of her mortgage payment and 50% of the utilities.

Biggest problems young people have today is the get a degree in something that doesnt pay enough. They dont have scholarships that pay for the majority of college and graduate with huge student debt and a job that pays $35k a year.

Posted by SaintsTiger
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:01 am to
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Currently in Missouri it's hard to find a new home with 1200-1500 square feet and a basement for under $250K. They're hard to find because most builders aren't building new houses in the 1200-1500 sq/ft size.


Transaction costs like permits, insurance, zoning, and building restrictions got more expensive. This makes margins too small for home buildersto build traditional starter homes.

Moreover, with all of the loose money federal programs like 3% or less down, builders would be fools to focus on building smaller houses.


Get uncle sam out of the way and smaller starter homes would be more popular.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22726 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:09 am to
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Those homes generally do not exist anymore.

Go fricking build them.

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You shouldn’t have to pay $250-300k for a starter home in a non-crime ridden area.

Why not?
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12156 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:09 am to
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Those houses in the 60s and 70s were 1,200 sqft.
The population percentage was very different then versus now.
1960 had a large portion of working parents and young kids.


By 1990, the majority of the population was working class adults, but with more elderly and less kids than 1960.


By 2010, the population has flattened and the elderly percentage continues to rise.


Now, the elderly group continues to grow and the children group is shrinking. When 0-19 is 23.6% and over 60 is 24.6%, that is a bit of a problem.
For the US, this is the first time the elderly has had a larger percentage.


This trend currently has significant implications throughout the age demographics.
More individuals drawing on government programs (SS).
More homes remaining occupied instead of having a surplus.
Reduction in jobs for younger workers.
Fewer able-bodied worders to pay into the system in coming years.

However, I am hopeful that the US will return to normal demographics.
As the large 25-45 year old group from 1990 has progressed through the years, they are now the 60-75 group now. This essentially explains the almost upside down chart from 2025, which has a much larger 60+ population than you would expect.

We do still have to address the birthrate decline, but some of this can be explained by urbanization versus rural family sizes.
The abundance in the next 20 years with both resources demand declining and the improvements due to ai efficiencies.... I'm hopeful that this will encourage more families to have more kids and larger families.

You don't have to have as drastic of a pyramid as we did in the 1960's or even from earlier eras due to the advancement in medicine reducing childhood mortality. However, we do need to make it easier and more affordable for American families to choose to have 3+ kids.
Cheaper housing, better low-cost schools, higher standard of living to wage ratios.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117584 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:44 am to
The numbers we see today are similar to The Great Depression. But the excuse for not marrying and buying a house were a lot more understandable back then. My parents dated for almost 10 years before marriage due to the custom of requiring a man to have a decent paying job before marriage. They said most of the young couples in town were in the same dilemma.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32722 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:53 am to
Another Twitter/X rando with no source for those figures.

Y'all really love to post these.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:57 am to
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You live in Mississippi.
Even in Mississippi you have to pay stuff back. We still use an abacus, but they calculate your credit score somehow. It's not really that much difference than a real state.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55738 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:58 pm to
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Correct. My advice to young couples is to scale back their dream of buying the new 2000 sq/ft home for $400-500k and instead look for a home that was built 25-30 years ago that is in the 1350-1700 sq/ft size in the $200-300k price range. Live in that house for 5-10 years and then go get that bigger home.
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*sigh*

This has been addressed time and time again.

Those homes generally do not exist anymore.

There is no glut of 25-30 year old 1350-1700 sqft homes out there.

That doesn’t even address the fact that $250-300k for a 1350-1700 sqft starter home is absolutely insane.

It is a starter home. You shouldn’t have to pay $250-300k for a starter home in a non-crime ridden area.


Quick Zillow search KC shows quite a few homes 20-30-40-50 years old in KC under $300k. The reason I originally brought my niece and her husband into the discussion on buying a home is exactly this reason. They don't want a used home that's 30-40 years old under $300k, they want that brand new 2000 sq/ft home that's $400-500k and most of their friends are the same way. They don't want to live modestly for a little while and then buy the nicer home in the their mid to late 30's. The homes under $300k are out there if you're willing to forgo the brand new $500k home in the suburban subdivision.


Homes for sale in KCMO
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 5:00 pm
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13480 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 5:49 pm to
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Why not?


Indeed.

Any time someone says something like, "You shouldn't have to pay, etc., etc., etc." you know that reasonableness has left the building.

And I content (again) that this is the biggest problem. Not the conditions, but the level of entitlement and the unrealistic expectations.

Nobody owes anybody a house in a neighborhood they like for a price they like.

And before about 15-20 years ago I never heard anybody act like they did. And I've lived in some urban environments with really expensive real estate.

My wife and I bought our first house when we were 29, but it was 40 miles from downtown. Probably 1300-1400 square feet. We didn't think anything about it. That's how far out we had to go before we got to something we could afford. It was what it was. It never occurred to us to whine about it or declare that someone owed us different circumstances.
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