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Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:51 am to mmcgrath
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He withheld military aid and conditioned a WH meeting on an announcement of political propaganda.
uhhhh, you got any evidence? Schitt couldn't find any nor did mueller?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:52 am to bamarep
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Article 2 Section 3
This hasn't been brought up as much as thought it would.
I think Nancy voted for it.
Republicans could make the case Trump didn't follow this law according to the Dems. So which is it Nancy? Seems to me Trump was well within bounds and had the best interest of "the country" in mind.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
If you know the facts and still have to ask, there’s no hope for you. In simplest terms, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage. In other words, you’d have to be naieve or blinded by partisanship. The abuse thing happened when he tried to override Congress and withhold military aid. Apparently, despite the narrative that Ukraine received the aid, they still haven’t received the full amount thatCongress authorized.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:53 am to GumboPot
Because the Dips and media thought Trump was asking for dirt on a potential opponent when in reality he was asking for nefarious misdoings about an ex-vice president of the U.S. to see if he did anything illegal.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:53 am to GumboPot
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facts are clear but fail to describe said facts and the media fails to ask for said facts
The “facts” they’re talking about, asked for favor/held up aid/told Executive Branch not to participate after document dump are true. The problem is that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the “facts” that doesn’t jive with their claims and they can’t PROVE their argument.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:55 am to zunic
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Used tax dollars appropriated by Congress
Agree.
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as leverage
Agree. As required by law.
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do his personal shite.
Wrong. "Us" and "our" are not me and my as much you want those pronouns to mean Trump. Us and our mean the U.S. because he actually said "our country".
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The extortion and bribery aside, failing to distribute the money as Congress appropriated is a violation of his oath.
And he distributed it. However there is a provision in the law that if corruption exists the executive has a law bound DUTY to hold back tax payer dollars form being wasted.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:55 am to zunic
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Used tax dollars appropriated by Congress as leverage to do his personal shite.
Evidence please.
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The extortion and bribery aside, failing to distribute the money as Congress appropriated is a violation of his oath.
He didn't fail to distribute it.
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I know this is a low information Donald circle jerk-off fest, but even you guys know this.
We know you have no evidence, only feelings.
Try again.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:56 am to GumboPot
Trump has done nothing impeachable; his crime is that Democrats don’t like Trump. It really is that simple.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:56 am to zunic
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Used tax dollars appropriated by Congress as leverage to do what is in the USA's interest.
The extortion and bribery aside, failing to distribute the money as Congress appropriated is a violation of his oath.
I demand that ALL presidents extort the frick out of foreign countries when we give them our tax dollars to do what's in our interest. And making sure that a corrupt as frick country as Ukraine pledge to fight corruption by investigating past corruption, including the dim mantra of interference with our elections, as well as pay-for-play schemes by our corrupted leaders and their crackhead sons.
Under your logic, the pub congress should have impeached Odumbfrick when he sent pallets of cash to terrorist sponsoring Iran for their pinky swear that they would not pursue nukes, and sure as frick should have done the same to Biden's BS nipple-twisting in Ukraine.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to VOR
quote:No, for this to be legit, the Dems would need to PROVE his intent is otherwise.
, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to VOR
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In simplest terms, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage.
Under our legal system, the burden of proof is exactly the opposite of this. Guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You know that, but the same political blindness you’re ascribing to others is affecting your judgment, as it does every time you post here.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to zunic
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Used tax dollars appropriated by Congress as leverage to do his personal shite.
How can something be "leveraged" against a party who has no idea it was even withheld to begin with?
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The extortion and bribery aside, failing to distribute the money as Congress appropriated is a violation of his oath.
Except it was released 19 days before the end of the fiscal year. They could have waited even longer if they wished.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:59 am to GumboPot
quote:His own people have said he did so under oath. No one has testified under oath that he didn't. Mick Mulvaney admitted they did it at the podium.
There is no proof that he withheld aid on the condition of a WH meeting. Zero proof. You and the Dems have provided zero evidence. Zero. And just because you say so does not make it true.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:00 am to mmcgrath
You are such a fricking liar.
You're a better propaganda spreader than Baghdad Bob
You're a better propaganda spreader than Baghdad Bob
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:01 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:01 am to bamarep
No, heat stating things accurately.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:01 am to TideCPA
quote:Actually he couldn't. About 20% of the aid was too late and required a second Congressional Resolution to replace that amount
Except it was released 19 days before the end of the fiscal year. They could have waited even longer if they wished.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:02 am to GumboPot
Bc Biden is running for office, duh
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:02 am to mmcgrath
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He withheld military aid and conditioned a WH meeting on an announcement of political propaganda.
Wrong and wrong.
He slowed down military aid while trying to get the EU to give more since stopping Russian aggression is far more imperative to them than it is to us. The key to this is that the Ukrainians never knew about it.
To the best of my knowledge a President can predicate a meeting on anything he wants. Please feel free to quote which law says otherwise. I'll wait.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:03 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:03 am to TheHarahanian
There also seems to be a thought pattern with the Dems that results in the conviction that something pro-Trump and something pro-America are mutually exclusive. Simply not the case. In other words, pursuing something in the interest of American justice might actually end up benefiting Trump in the end. That doesn’t make it illegal or even improper.
Remember that whole “intent” issue that saved some dirty people’s asses?
Remember that whole “intent” issue that saved some dirty people’s asses?
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