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re: Specifically, how did President Trump abuse his power concerning Ukraine?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:17 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:17 am to Turbeauxdog
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It’s embarrassing we have to share oxygen, much less a country with liars like vor and mm
The problem, is that they've given up on policy debates, and it's all in on "muh impeachment". Impeachment isn't a fun debate, because it's easy for us. It's too easy. No one enjoys debating a topic they know they've won, and that their opponent knows they lost. MM and VOR are just repeating the same liberal talking points, but they know they dont' have anything. That's why they've never been able to provide a spec of evidence. All they provide is information that has been disproven multile times, and that was used to embarrass the Dems on national news.
If they had any evidence, they'd simply post it. But they don't.
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:19 am to mmcgrath
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1 and 2 are both evidence. Trump is more than welcome to offer testimony otherwise.
No, they're not. And for the zillionth damn time, it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt, not Trump to prove innocence.
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In his press conference:
Oh look, yet another "presume".
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Sondland admitted to what he said because he initially didn't "recall" it yet other people heard him. His explanation that it wasn't an order is not credible.
You didn't watch the hearings. quote:
It was exactly what Zelensky was talking about.
No, it wasn't. You also didn't read the transcript.
Let me give you some advice: Read primary source material and stop relying on talking points from social media.
It will save you some embarrassment.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:20 am to mmcgrath
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Reporter (M): (21:27)
So the demand for an investigation into the Democrats was part of the reason that he ordered to withhold funding to Ukraine?
Mick Mulvaney: (21:34)
The look back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing that he was worried about in corruption with that nation. And that is absolutely appropriate.
Reporter (M): (21:42)
Withholding the funding?
Mick Mulvaney: (21:43)
Yeah.
It's pretty transparent that Trump was withholding aid to ensure Ukraine wasn't corrupt. He's been doing that for every country. IT's one of his policies on accountability with countries we give foreign aid to. Is that an issue for you?
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Sondland admitted to what he said because he initially didn't "recall" it yet other people heard him. His explanation that it wasn't an order is not credible.
Sondland was asked if any person on earth had first hand knowledge of a quid pro quo. Do you remember his response?
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It was exactly what Zelensky was talking about.
Please post this part of the transcript.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:24 am to Centinel
quote:This is not a legal proceeding. It is an impeachment process. However even in a legal proceeding the defense offers up a "defense". Trump has none.
No, they're not. And for the zillionth damn time, it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt, not Trump to prove innocence.
quote:It is a transcript.
Oh look, yet another "presume".
quote:javelins and US assistance. What was Zelensky talking about if it wasn't military aid?
No, it wasn't. You also didn't read the transcript.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:25 am to BugAC
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It's pretty transparent that Trump was withholding aid to ensure Ukraine wasn't corrupt. He's been doing that for every country. IT's one of his policies on accountability with countries we give foreign aid to. Is that an issue for you?
Tell that to GumboPot and the other swamp posters. They are denying even that basic fact.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:26 am to mmcgrath
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Trump has none.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:27 am to mmcgrath
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This is not a legal proceeding. It is an impeachment process.
Oh, in that case the hell with the rule of law then, right?
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However even in a legal proceeding the defense offers up a "defense". Trump has none.
How do you defend against something that's not evidence of any wrongdoing on your part?
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It is a transcript.
I know. Did you read it?
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javelins and US assistance. What was Zelensky talking about if it wasn't military aid?
Please point out there part where Trump said "you'll have to do us a favor" in return for the javelins and military aid.
At least you've admitted not to have listened to the hearings or read the transcript.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:27 am to mmcgrath
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Tell that to GumboPot and the other swamp posters. They are denying even that basic fact.
No, he's not. He is "withholding" funds to ensure foreign countries are not participating in illegal or corrupt ventures with said foreign aid. You are trying to tie into "Trump withheld the aid for a quid pro quo with Ukraine" which is not what happened. Don't come in here hoping to "agree with me" to then take that and twist it into your little liberal "muh ukraine" circle jerk.
YOU HAVE NOTHING. Provide factual evidence of criminal wrongdoing by Trump. I'm still waiting.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:29 am to Centinel
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Please point out there part where Trump said "you'll have to do us a favor" in return for the javelins and military aid.
Not to mention, withholding aid as a demand that they look into corruption is frickING NORMAL and it takes a liberal to think that they are immune to being looked at for corruption by anyone other than another liberal.
That's the silly part. Using liberal logic on this, simply opposing Trump renders you immune to investigation.
Absurdity.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:29 am to BugAC
quote:you guys still need to be spoonfed everything.
Please post this part of the transcript.
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Zelensky: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:31 am to BugAC
Well, and just as a point of process.
If the cops investigate me and their case is shite, but I know they're going to charge me anyway..........I don't let THEM know how I plan to defend myself on the case.
I wait for the actual trial and kick them in the teeth.
Why on Earth would Trump even attempt to "defend" himself to a Kangaroo court when, whether they like it or not, that court has to turn over the case to people who CAN'T control his cross examinations?
If the cops investigate me and their case is shite, but I know they're going to charge me anyway..........I don't let THEM know how I plan to defend myself on the case.
I wait for the actual trial and kick them in the teeth.
Why on Earth would Trump even attempt to "defend" himself to a Kangaroo court when, whether they like it or not, that court has to turn over the case to people who CAN'T control his cross examinations?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:31 am to mmcgrath
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This is not a legal proceeding.
You're right. Legal proceedings allow the accused to bring forth their own witness, and allows the defense to question the prosecutions witness. It's the cornerstone of our legal system. I wonder why the left has denied this?
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However even in a legal proceeding the defense offers up a "defense". Trump has none.
He's not been allowed a defense. And as you said, this isn't a legal proceeding, so he's not required to provide one anyway. However, even give all the restraints Schiff and Nadler and the dems have put on the Republicans from seeing all of the prosecutions case, they have STILL embarrassed the dems. Even one of your own legal scholars embarrassed you yesterday.
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It is a transcript.
Which transcript? Please provide said transcript.
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javelins and US assistance. What was Zelensky talking about if it wasn't military aid?
Please provide transcript portions you are talking about.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:31 am to mmcgrath
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However even in a legal proceeding the defense offers up a "defense".
In fact, it's very common for the defense to, when the prosecution rests, to simply announce that "defense rests" without calling a single witness or putting on any case whatsoever, if and when the defense determines that the prosecution failed to make a convincing case. The point is to refrain from unnecessarily complicating an already winning case. Not at all uncommon.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:31 am to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
How many billions was it that homeboy Biden gave them hours before leaving for firing a prosecutor and bragging about it on camera?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:32 am to mmcgrath
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Zelensky: I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though
You're missing the part where Trump says "or I can't sell you the Javelins"
You know, the actual quid pro quo part.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:32 am to mmcgrath
quote:Says this shite human being chronically dishonest board liar.
you guys still need to be spoonfed everything.
Oh, and that quote is perfectly fine
Biden doesn't have some weird immunity no matter how much you guys think he does
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:32 am to mmcgrath
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you guys still need to be spoonfed everything.
Nah, i want you to give me the highlighted portion. Possibly a link. You know, for context and all.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:33 am to Centinel
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You're missing the part where Trump says "or I can't sell you the Javelins"
You know, the actual quid pro quo part.
Don't get roped into this silliness
There's NOTHING WRONG with saying, "investigate this corruption or I ain't giving you aid"
That's what's absurd here. There's literally ZERO wrong with doing this
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:34 am to ShortyRob
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There's NOTHING WRONG with saying, "investigate this corruption or I ain't giving you aid"
Of course there's not. That's not my point.
My point is that the "investigate this corruption or I ain't giving you aid" never happened, so the discussion of whether it is "wrong" or not is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:36 am to Centinel
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My point is that the "investigate this corruption or I ain't giving you aid" never happened, so the discussion of whether it is "wrong" or not is irrelevant.
Well yeah
But, if they're going to claim they can impeach him for something, pointing out that even their accusation isn't a big fricking deal is relevant.
Basically, this is like arresting someone for crossing the street AT THE CROSSWALK for "jaywalking". You just look at them and say, "um, it's legal to cross at a crosswalk dumb arse"
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