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re: Specifically, how did President Trump abuse his power concerning Ukraine?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:18 am to Homesick Tiger
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:18 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:You are making progress. You are admitting what the OP and numerous other swampy posters are trying their best to ignore. Now please tell them the "chore" they needed to do to receive the aid. Be prepared to be called a "fricking liar" by bamarep.
There isn't a swinging dick on this board that wasn't told as a child - you're not getting your allowance until you do your chores.
That's all daddy Trump said to the Ukrainian children. Even you can't deny that.
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:18 am to mmcgrath
There is no law against delaying foreign aid. And there is a law to withhold aid from corrupt counties.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:20 am to mmcgrath
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Now please tell them the "chore" they needed to do to receive the aid.
The aid was received. Javelins were purchased to your disappointment because your corrupt swamp buddies couldn't spend the money on themselves.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:22 am to mmcgrath
quote:
I already posted it.
You havent posted any evidence
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:23 am to mmcgrath
quote:I disagree. While maybe convenient to disprove QPQ, he could still have legitimate concerns and told them so. Obviously there are limits to what he can/can’t do based on existing law and had deadlines within which he needed to act and did.
The key to this is that the Ukrainians never knew about it
This President, as much as he might not want to admit it, is learning on the job. He didn’t spend his educational or employment life in DC and is being advised that some things he’d like to do, he can’t do. Nothing wrong with that. The Dems would have you believe that anything he does is with ill intent. Problem is, they have no proof and the argument to the contrary is at least equally plausible.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:27 am to VOR
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The abuse thing happened when he tried to override Congress and withhold military aid.
No two ways about it, that's just flat out wrong. Withheld aid with the unambiguous intention of receiving personal gain via pressuring Ukraine to investigate a political rival is intrinsic to the abuse of power/withholding aid impeachment count.
The temporary suspension of aid, standing alone, is a non-starter and even Pelosi et al don't dispute that.
So then you're back to square one, proving Trump's state of mind and inner intentions. And please feel free to provide any evidence of that, i.e. unambiguous evidence such as a direct statement by Trump to the effect of "You know what? Despite the official position, I was really intending to get dirt on Biden to help with my reelection campaign." Direct statement, not the feeling that other people may have had. Because that's lay witness opinion and holds no weight if you're being calm and objective about it all.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:29 am to pwejr88
Exactly . . . it all turns on that. They have divined his intent, including changing his words (as the nasty woman law professor did) to suit their perception/narrative.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:31 am to mmcgrath
quote:Trump made it clear he wanted the guy to actually do what he campaigned on. The idea that he MUST do something specific or no aid, was never expressed.
Now please tell them the "chore" they needed to do to receive the aid.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:31 am to mmcgrath
quote:
I already posted it
Your "evidence" is mere opinion and speculation regarding the most important part: "for personal/political gain"
You can post zero actual evidence of that. Prove me wrong.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:36 am to mmcgrath
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He withheld military aid
False.
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conditioned a WH meeting
False.
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on an announcement of political propaganda.
False.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:36 am to mmcgrath
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You are making progress. You are admitting what the OP and numerous other swampy posters are trying their best to ignore. Now please tell them the "chore" they needed to do to receive the aid. Be prepared to be called a "fricking liar" by bamarep.
He was stating that your point in that post was a lie...which it is...
No one is arguing POTUS said/did things with Ukraine...
1. Can a POTUS coordinate looking into criminality and corruption of people in Ukraine with their government?
Yes, therefore it is not a crime.
2. Does what you BELIEVE in his motivation matter?
No
3. Can Congress impeach for things other than "High Crimes and Misdemeanors?"
No, but congress likes crayolaing the constitution.
4. Is this a crime?
No, see question number 1.
Conclusion, you are lying.
What's unknown and unclear is whether you are "fricking" as a descriptor to the lying you are doing.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:41 am to davyjones
The same folks that have argued that Joe really wasn’t trying to benefit his kid, Hillary wasn’t really trying to cover her own arse, Obama wasn’t trying to set himself up for life after presidency, Clinton Foundation was really trying to help poor nations (in spite of mounting evidence to the contrary) because their INTENT was honorable now use the same mind-reading ability in the reverse to try and remove the President.
At least admit the lazy, pathetic hypocrisy.
.. not directed at you davy, just replying to thread
At least admit the lazy, pathetic hypocrisy.
.. not directed at you davy, just replying to thread
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:44 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:41 am to davyjones
The money was, in fact, withheld. Until he was busted. And even now, the Ukrainians have not received the full allotment. I’m not going to strain my eyes on my phone at the moment to link you to the source, but it will become clear in the next few days, as this shite plays out. Youguys will accept nothing short of a confession by Trump or a memo signed by him directing that the funds be withheld. Even then, you’d claim it was a forgery.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:42 am to mmcgrath
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His own people have said he did so under oath. No one has testified under oath that he didn't. Mick Mulvaney admitted they did it at the podium.
Yeah, that didnt' happen. Let's make this easy. Provide the factual evidence this happened. How about a transcript?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:43 am to lsufanz
quote:Everything that was communicated by Trump and his lackeys was very specific. In fact, you can't find any general corruption talk from them. His lackeys even updated proposed text of their announcement with the specific investigations and insisted on Zelensky making the announcement.
Trump made it clear he wanted the guy to actually do what he campaigned on. The idea that he MUST do something specific or no aid, was never expressed.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:44 am to VOR
quote:
The money was, in fact, withheld. Until he was busted. And even now, the Ukrainians have not received the full allotment.
Why was it withheld?
quote:
I’m not going to strain my eyes on my phone at the moment to link you to the source,
Translation: i don't have proof of wrongdoing. quote:
but it will become clear in the next few days
Man, so far all you've done is colossally embarrass yourselves on national tv. It's pathetic that you still associate with those dumbasses like Schiff and Nadler. quote:
Youguys will accept nothing short of a confession by Trump or a memo signed by him directing that the funds be withheld
Nah, but i will take factual evidence. You have any?
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Even then, you’d claim it was a forgery.
$100 says you get ZERO factual evidence of wrongdoing. Deal?
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:44 am to VOR
quote:
The money was, in fact, withheld.
Honest question, when was the money supposed to be spent? What date?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:45 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Everything that was communicated by Trump and his lackeys was very specific. In fact, you can't find any general corruption talk from them. His lackeys even updated proposed text of their announcement with the specific investigations and insisted on Zelensky making the announcement.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:45 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Everything that was communicated by Trump and his lackeys was very specific.
Transcript...i guess you didn't read it.
quote:
In fact, you can't find any general corruption talk from them. His lackeys even updated proposed text of their announcement with the specific investigations and insisted on Zelensky making the announcement.
PROVIDE 1 PIECE OF FACTUAL EVIDENCE PROVING IMPEACHABLE CRIMINAL OFFENSES.
Just 1
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:46 am to SDVTiger
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You havent posted any evidence
To be fair, you can't post what doesn't exist.
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