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Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:20 pm to AUveritas
A drome accidently cashed into a bldg last week. Everyone is blaming Russinas for spying and Russia denys it's them. Most think it was a Ukranian drone.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:26 pm to ColoradoAg
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NATO will scramble for the Ukraine but not us. Interesting
The only time in history NATO has invoked article V for an attack against one was when the US was attacked.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:32 pm to The Boat
NATO was not asked to scramble for us. Some individual countries were asked about using their airspace, airports, etc. Spain and some others said no but that was not NATO as a whole.
Poland would have definitely said yes, and let us fill up the gas tanks for you guys!
Poland would have definitely said yes, and let us fill up the gas tanks for you guys!
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:39 pm to Breauxsif
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Polish forces are chomping at the bit to kill some Russians.
Germans too probably
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:53 pm to Rip Torner
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NATO is a relic of the past that Europe needs because it can’t defend itself. Britain, France, Germany, and Italy couldn’t cobble together enough of a force to stop a Russian incursion and they know it
I’d argue that Europe can’t defend itself BECAUSE of NATO. They’ve always been able to rely on us to be Big Daddy.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:55 pm to AUveritas
I thought Polish forces scrambled a whole lot regarding Russia... I knew a guy from Poland who still has family there. He said the Russians would constantly feint and probe, just to get Polish jets up in the air. I think they were judging response times.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 10:58 pm to Scoob
It's possible; I have no idea. It it normal for NATO forces to scramble their jets too, though?
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:06 pm to AUveritas
Russia does provocative things like sending jets and drones into other peoples airspace. A few years back they had a ship or two sailing off the east coast of the United States. It stayed in international waters if I remember correctly but they pushed it close.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:20 pm to VOR
quote:I don't see how that's a surprise.
Ukraine has proven to be a worthy adversary for Russia.
Back when the USSR existed, the Ukraine was a BIG part of it. Not the Warsaw Pact, but Soviet Union proper. And the Ukraine is/was a large chunk of the European part of the Soviet Union, which was the most developed and armed part. They were who we were expecting to fight, along with the actual Russians.
They didn't disarm after leaving, other than to give up the nukes they had there. I remember reading Jane's in the 2010s, and I think Ukraine was the 2nd largest standing military in Europe, behind Russia. Ahead of all our Western European allies.
It's like Texas leaving the US, the fight is like-on-like. But Russia is bigger. Everything is bogged down, but it's bogged down in Ukraine, with little to no offensive threat to Russia. They're eventually going to be ground down, simply because Russia wins the war of attrition.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:24 pm to AUveritas
quote:I mean, Poland is in NATO. The stuff I was talking about was happening a decade ago, before the invasion of Ukraine, when Poland was already in NATO.
It's possible; I have no idea. It it normal for NATO forces to scramble their jets too, though?
That's the actual purpose of NATO, it's written in the bylaws. So yeah, if you have Russian jets heading towards a NATO member's border, I would imagine everyone twitches. You don't want to be sitting on your thumbs the one time they don't turn back.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:29 pm to Rip Torner
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NATO is a relic of the past that Europe needs because it can’t defend itself. Britain, France, Germany, and Italy couldn’t cobble together enough of a force to stop a Russian incursion and they know it
Dog, Russia in its current state isn't getting past Brest before getting pulverized if they ever showed any sign of actually trying to amass an attacking force. They've lost the equivalent of our entire active duty Army in KIA in Ukraine and are on their heels and losing ground.
Having worked with all four of the mentioned militaries, while Germany and Italy are a bit of a joke militarily at the moment (Germany especially), France would have no issue wiping the floor with them if they stepped towards central Europe. Much better trained, much better equipped, much better motivated, much more advanced technologically, etc. Russia knows that, especially after the last four years, so they wouldn't dare, but it's a bit amusing to see it coming from Americans every time Russia sends a little poopy probe into eastern European NATO countries (like they do a lot in Alaska, by the way).
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:51 pm to AUveritas
All this was foretold 2500 years ago by Ezekiel the prophet. In the end Israel will be raised up like dead men's bones, but they will have no life in them, (a nation without God's spirit in them to start with)
So, it was foretold that at those very end time events, Gog (a Leaders title, not a nation) will lead Magog (a coalition of nations led by Russia, whilst Persia and Gomer (Turkey) follow along with a few token African nations. But a strange thing has to happen, not one nation with a Border to Israel joins in, but why/ The Abraham Accords brought Israel and her neighbors into agreement that Iran was such a threat, that they needed to form an agreement and Trump brought tht to pass in his first term.
The Anti-Christ has to Be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this) and come to power out of the Fourth Beasts (Rome) Remnant (E.U.), and Greece is in the E.U. This is why, the E.U. is supporting Ukraine so stringently, its demonic in nature, this is how the AC gains Israel's trust, God will destroy Gog & Magog's Army (5/6 of them) on the Mount. of God in Jerusalem. This makes the E.U.s path straight, but this lying liar will also say, we have a new weapon, we killed all those armies that were attacking you. HOOK LINE & SINKER, they will buy it and join the E.U. that is the Dan. 9:27 Agreement.
Its all right around the corner.
So, it was foretold that at those very end time events, Gog (a Leaders title, not a nation) will lead Magog (a coalition of nations led by Russia, whilst Persia and Gomer (Turkey) follow along with a few token African nations. But a strange thing has to happen, not one nation with a Border to Israel joins in, but why/ The Abraham Accords brought Israel and her neighbors into agreement that Iran was such a threat, that they needed to form an agreement and Trump brought tht to pass in his first term.
The Anti-Christ has to Be born in Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates this) and come to power out of the Fourth Beasts (Rome) Remnant (E.U.), and Greece is in the E.U. This is why, the E.U. is supporting Ukraine so stringently, its demonic in nature, this is how the AC gains Israel's trust, God will destroy Gog & Magog's Army (5/6 of them) on the Mount. of God in Jerusalem. This makes the E.U.s path straight, but this lying liar will also say, we have a new weapon, we killed all those armies that were attacking you. HOOK LINE & SINKER, they will buy it and join the E.U. that is the Dan. 9:27 Agreement.
Its all right around the corner.
Posted on 6/1/26 at 11:59 pm to TTOWN RONMON
quote:According to other sources, he will be born in the territory of Babylon (present-day iran, iraq and syria).
The Anti-Christ has to Be born in Greece
Posted on 6/2/26 at 1:28 am to ColoradoAg
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NATO will scramble for the Ukraine but not us. Interesting
Very interesting that some people don’t understand that the US is not being attacked.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 3:36 am to AGGIES
I’m all for allowing Ukraine into NATO…about five minutes after we leave NATO.
Posted on 6/2/26 at 4:34 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Russia has not went all out against Ukraine, for sure. Also, yes Ukraine has held it's own but Ukraine is the best trained, equipped, and financed army in the Europe, the USA and other Nato countries have poured unlimited money into Ukraine the only reason it is still standing.....
Posted on 6/2/26 at 4:40 am to bamalee
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Russia has not went all out against Ukraine
There’s so much wrong here…
Posted on 6/2/26 at 4:48 am to Rip Torner
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it made sense when the Soviet Union existed and after the destruction Europe suffered but it’s been 35 years since the Soviets collapsed and nearly 90 years since Germany invaded Poland.
And now China has risen. This requires new alliances, but NATO should be part of it.
Trump’s denigration of NATO was necessary to get the fuggers to finally start paying their share. NATO needed to be fixed, and Trump is well on the way to fixing it. But walking away from NATO is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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