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re: So the US has 95k if the worlds 330k covid deaths?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:50 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:50 am to TigerDoc
quote:Yes, Biden and Pelosi and other dems should not have labeled Trump's January restrictions on travel from China as xenophobic.
To a certain extent you're right, but a response similar to Germany would've been possible for us if this hadn't been politicized from the jump
We were never going to respond like Germany or any other country. Our people are not nearly as monolithic.
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Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:50 am to TigerDoc
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and our leadership has been divided in the approach they seem to want to take to limit the spread.
What are you talking about? The most draconian measures were in NYC and they had BY FAR the most cases. BY FAR.
Andrew Cuomo failed and people died because of his policies.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:51 am to tigerinDC09
Link to trumps last 3 comments about China, you lying twat. What’s wrong with you?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:52 am to TigerDoc
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To a certain extent you're right, but a response similar to Germany would've been possible for us if this hadn't been politicized from the jump
Well, that was your people. And you.
So, yeah. frick yourself.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:52 am to TigerDoc
Thats fair. I'd like to see differences in nursing home populations amongst various countries.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 7:58 am to Upperaltiger06
Only a complete idiot would believe those numbers. Especially regarding China.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:00 am to Upperaltiger06
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o the US has 95k if the worlds 330k covid deaths?
per capita (deaths/million)....
Belgium 801.08
Spain 596.87
United Kingdom 536.99
Italy 534.99
France 419.44
Sweden 376.21
Netherlands 333.58
Ireland 323.68
United States 285.18
Switzerland 222.16
Ecuador 169.04
Canada 165.95
Portugal 122.84
LINK
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 8:00 am
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:03 am to Jake88
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Yes, Biden and Pelosi and other dems should not have labeled Trump's January restrictions on travel from China as xenophobic.
I agree. The pre-pandemic political climate definitely set us up for a worse response.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:04 am to TigerDoc
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For sure there have been some areas making progress, but the OP is sound considering the US has been considered the gold standard when it came to public health (e.g. when Ebola started multi-country spread in 2014, countries were looking to us for leadership). We've really taken a black eye here.
First, tell me where people died because they couldn’t receive care like was occurring in Europe.
Secondary, if we’ve take a black eye it’s because we went WAY too far with our restrictions.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:05 am to Dawgfanman
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You mean in more sanitary and less crowded conditions in our urban areas?
No, as generally significantly overweight to obese, unhealthy, and ignorant.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:08 am to Oilfieldbiology
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First, tell me where people died because they couldn’t receive care like was occurring in Europe.
LINK
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Gambrell's father Gary Fowler, 56, passed away in a recliner in the bedroom of his home in Grosse Pointe Woods, Michigan, with Cheryl Fowler, his wife of more than 20 years, in bed nearby.
He was sleeping in the chair because he'd been struggling to breathe for days but he was never tested for the virus, despite knowing he had being exposed. His fever was so high that Gambrell said his father's body was still warm when it was taken to the funeral home more than five hours after his death.
Gambrell, 33, said his father, who had diabetes, was turned away from several hospitals in the Detroit area in the days leading to his death.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:09 am to TigerDoc
quote:I'm not certain that was really a big deal. Frankly, I'm surprised so much was able to be shutdown in the US and that so many are cautious when venturing out.
I agree. The pre-pandemic political climate definitely set us up for a worse response
I'm not certain this has been a poor response in terms of controlling the spread. The predictions warned of 20-80 million plus being infected.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:12 am to tigerinDC09
You think that didn't happen in every country at some point?
Hospitals in heavily infected areas did turn away those deemed to be able to ride this out at home. Some did go bad after that, but there was no real predictor for that.
Hospitals in heavily infected areas did turn away those deemed to be able to ride this out at home. Some did go bad after that, but there was no real predictor for that.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:14 am to tigerinDC09
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Gambrell's father Gary Fowler, 56, passed away in a recliner in the bedroom of his home in Grosse Pointe Woods, Michigan, with Cheryl Fowler, his wife of more than 20 years, in bed nearby.
He was sleeping in the chair because he'd been struggling to breathe for days but he was never tested for the virus, despite knowing he had being exposed. His fever was so high that Gambrell said his father's body was still warm when it was taken to the funeral home more than five hours after his death.
Gambrell, 33, said his father, who had diabetes, was turned away from several hospitals in the Detroit area in the days leading to his death.
Was this a systematic issue or an issue related to uncertain reactions within the system due to this virus? I’m not exactly clear what is being suggested here.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:17 am to Jake88
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You think that didn't happen in every country at some point?
But the whole premise of this thread is that we are exceptional and thus this wouldn't happen here.
We are awesome in many respects, but the messaging that we aren't Italy, especially northern Italy (which is known for it's wealthy and healthcare system) proved to be fatally misguided.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:19 am to Jake88
Look at the numbers of Americans responding "extremely concerned" to the question how concerned they were about COVID in late February and early March. The impeachment trial was still fresh and the public & counterpublic's media had very different coverage of the pandemic creating very different levels of concern. The predictions have warned a lot more infections than 80 million, btw. Greater than half of the American population is a fairly mainstream view among the experts.
This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 8:21 am
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:20 am to TigerDoc
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We've really taken a black eye here
How. This seems to be something a lot of lockdoen proponents like to say. As of this post we have done over 13 million tests....13 million. That is a lot. No other country comes close, in fact no other cluster of Westetn European nations come close. More than Spain, France and UK combined.
We shut our economy down, we plunged people into poverty, bankrupted untold millions, gutted industries. Forced kids into an extended vacation with really no plans to open up. We did all this and 93K have died.We did this so that we could kiss the arsr of mee msw and paw paw mostly. We did this Doc, we violated all types of civil rights too....you progressives must be beating off twice a day, at least, when you see how effective the social control was.
No plan, shite dude, the plan was enacted and is working like a charm. You just keep wanting to move the goal posts.....what's your angle?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:20 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Was this a systematic issue or an issue related to uncertain reactions within the system due to this virus? I’m not exactly clear what is being suggested here.
Yes, the hospitals in the area where he lived was so overwhelmed that they couldn't even test him, much less admit him.
This was the purpose of flattening the curve, to lessen the burned on the medical infrastructure. We aren't seeing this anymore, which is good, but for many it was too late.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:23 am to KiwiHead
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How. This seems to be something a lot of lockdoen proponents like to say. As of this post we have done over 13 million tests....13 million. That is a lot. No other country comes close, in fact no other cluster of Westetn European nations come close. More than Spain, France and UK combined.
We had to do more testing because we failed to contain it initially. It's like bragging that we've used more water than anyone else to put out fires. You would prefer to contain the fire in the first place, but the lack of initial testing and contact tracing made that impossible.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:25 am to tigerinDC09
quote:Exceptionalism doesn't necessitate that individual issues like you posted do not occur. It is impossible to avoid in any system.
the whole premise of this thread is that we are exceptional and thus this wouldn't happen here
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