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re: Sentenced to Life for an Accident Miles Away
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:14 am to Perfect Circle
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:14 am to Perfect Circle
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The thieves should have weighed the risks before they decided to break the law.
You've never broken the law I presume?
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:14 am to Powerman
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So the law can't be poorly thought out? Someone that had nothing to do with a murder gets charged with murder and you think it's fine because it fits within the confines of the law?
This is how judges think. Their job is to apply the law.
Based on some of the facts I was able to identify from this unnecessarily lengthy and dramatic article, the judge informed the defendant of the likely consequences of not accepting a plea deal. He even went out of his way to inform the defendant that the jury instructions do not result in the jury learning of a mandatory sentence (because a determination of guilt should not be based on a likely sentence). The judge tried to help the guy, probably more than many other judges would.
I honestly think this law should be revised to more closely adhere to some of the cornerstones of justice. Hopefully there are willing congressmen that can withstand the pushback from activist groups.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 8:18 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:17 am to Powerman
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The guy that was just checking doors didn't do anything to contribute to their deaths just as the fun manufacturer didn't
I don't know the details of the case so I don't know if that's true or not, but assuming it is, like I said before, someone who truly didn't cause any contributing factors to the circumstances leading to the death shouldn't be charged under this statute.
I don't know how to clarify any more than that. This law isn't for people who really had nothing to do with someone else's death. If a prosecutor charged someone who really didn't, then I agree that it is prosecutorial overreach.
I don't think the law itself is problematic—especially for people who are committing violent crimes and/or leading police on high speed chases—and any law can be misapplied.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:17 am to 4cubbies
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There you go again. I must have not returned your phone call before I met my husband.
Look here, looney-bird, I know modern Liberal women are all Narcissists, but BELIEVE me, I would NEVER want to even shake HANDS with someone so nasty and insane to do what you've admitted to doing.
There isn't enough penicillin in the WORLD....
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:17 am to NC_Tigah
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That's the truth. Meanwhile, relevant facts, like the exact nature of his testimony, got skimmed.
Well, it is the New Yorker. So, we know it's propaganda.
But 2 things can be true at the same time.
We can have propaganda and at the same time a troublesome legal doctrine.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:17 am to Willie Stroker
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This is how judges are supposed to think. Their job is to apply the law.
Fixed.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:19 am to Powerman
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You've never broken the law
Very few have not.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:19 am to 4cubbies
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“He should have never taken the 85 cents if he didn’t want to spend the rest of his life in prison.”
And here's the lie.
4Commies posts this bshit strawman and we're all supposed to believe that someone is being sent to prison because "they were poor and just wanted to feed their baby Momma and 20 kids", NOT the OTHER felonies they've committed leading up to...
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:21 am to Godfather1
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Seems to me your problem should rest more with overzealous prosecutors looking to rack up scalps, rather than the law itself.
The DA should have some discretion to use a little common sense here. He chose not to exercise it.
It is possible that Baxter had a nice little crime record even before this so they used the law to get him off the street for good. If so, then they should do more of that. F a thief.
One sure way to avoid this is just to not commit crimes. Not many people are going to feel sorry for this guy and I agree. Do you know why I never have to worry about a felony murder charge? Because I am not out robbing people.
Funny how 4cubbies downplays his breaking into cars as "just pulling on door handles" as if robbing people as long as the door was unlocked isn't that big of a deal.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:21 am to 4cubbies
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Sadik Baxter had searched five cars for stray cash before surrendering when cops appeared
Probably the first time he’d ever broken the law, too.
If two guys decide to rob cars and a neighbor steps outside and one of the guys shoots the neighbor, should both be charged? Or just the one who fired the shot? Where do you draw the line at ending this “travesty of Justice”?
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 8:22 am
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:22 am to Powerman
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You've never broken the law I presume?
I mean we have all gone over the speed limit but I would imaging most people here have never flat-out broken into a car or stolen from someone.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:22 am to oogabooga68
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4Commies posts this bshit strawman and we're all supposed to believe that someone is being sent to prison because "they were poor and just wanted to feed their baby Momma and 20 kids", NOT the OTHER felonies they've committed leading up to...
The burglaries should have been misdemeanor thefts. What OTHER felonies did they commit?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:24 am to oogabooga68
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THESE FKING THUGS woke up and decided to commit acts of terrorism against a law-abiding populace.
EVERY BAD THING THAT HAPPENED TO THESE WORTHLESS ANIMALS was a result of CHOICES they made.
They are not VICTIMS, THEY ARE PERPS.
Amen.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:24 am to stout
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Funny how 4cubbies downplays his breaking into cars as "just pulling on door handles" as if robbing people as long as the door was unlocked isn't that big of a deal.
In a wild twist of events, neither of these poor fellas intended on robbing anyone.
Baxter says that if he had known they were going to rob people, he wouldn’t have gone with Obrian. Obrian says he never got out of the car.
Both just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:24 am to wackatimesthree
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I don't know the details of the case so I don't know if that's true or not
The guy was miles away from the accident that killed the people in police custody at the time of the accident. It's absurd that anyone thinks it is just that he is charged with murder.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:25 am to Willie Stroker
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When there are finally facts, I’m already doubting the accuracy because of all the effort to emotionally impact the reader.
Willie, you aren’t reading an academic paper. Journalism is story telling. It’s easy to separate the stories from the law and sentencing.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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What OTHER felonies did they commit?
Not sure, but I wouldn't count on an article that describes breaking into cars to steal as "searching for stray cash" providing you with accurate information.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:26 am to 4cubbies
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I’m really having a hard time understanding how Baxter reasonably caused the deaths of the cyclists. Do you? Or are you saying in this particular instance, it doesn’t make sense?
I honestly don't know the details, so I don't know if it's warranted in this case or not...I'm speaking generally.
I believe, though, that the general threshold is whether the death in question would reasonably have been expected to occur if the crime had never been committed. That, and the crime has to be a felony.
Does this case conform to those two standards in your opinion?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:26 am to stout
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I mean we have all gone over the speed limit but I would imaging most people here have never flat-out broken into a car or stolen from someone.
And speeding is more likely to kill someone
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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The burglaries should have been misdemeanor thefts. What OTHER felonies did they commit?
LINK
He was a career criminal before this
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According to prosecutors, Sadik has been on probation for grand theft since March. He has several arrests on his record dating back to 2003 including armed robbery, carjacking, grand theft, burglary and resisting arrest.
In court Monday, when asked if he has a job, Sadik told Hurley he's been unable to work and is disabled after he was shot in the back in a club.
No doubt his prior record played a role in the decision to use the felony murder law to get him off of the streets for good.
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 8:27 am
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