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re: Self-esteem & the “Crisis of the Young”
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:25 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:25 am to RCDfan1950
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You’d love to have more power, Cubs, because you believe that you could do more good towards your altruistic enterprise. Jesus inspired, I assume.
Has there been anyone with power who hasn’t caused significant damage? I don’t want power because I don’t trust that I’m special enough to not cause harm like everyone else before me. As is said, power corrupts.
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Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:26 am to Narax
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Not understanding how badly the boomer focus on self gratification and "meaning" completely screwed up the following generations.
Boomers created the greatest generational wealth the world has ever seen. They then invested it in the next generation spending money they did not have growing up, hoping the next would appreciate it.
Unfortunately that generation grew up a spoiled, soft, bunch of whiners who blame all their failures on boomers.
The aforementioned quote is a classic example
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:31 am to 4cubbies
Respectfully, America didn't become prosperous and cohesive by celebrating loneliness. It became prosperous because millions of people pursued their own dreams while simultaneously building some of the strongest voluntary communities in human history.
Japan is often praised because it rejects rugged individualism in favor of the collective. They say, the nail that stands out gets pounded down. I’ve lived there- and not on a military base- but in a Japanese home. And I’m here to tell you that the crisis of meaning is every bit and even stronger there than it is here. It’s more modernity that alienates us than political system, imho. American culture is ripe for community, we just have to put our phones down and pay attention to one another.
Japan is often praised because it rejects rugged individualism in favor of the collective. They say, the nail that stands out gets pounded down. I’ve lived there- and not on a military base- but in a Japanese home. And I’m here to tell you that the crisis of meaning is every bit and even stronger there than it is here. It’s more modernity that alienates us than political system, imho. American culture is ripe for community, we just have to put our phones down and pay attention to one another.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:31 am to 4cubbies
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people who engage in virtue signaling have no self-esteem? I can see that.
Awweee you’re becoming self aware.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:40 am to Lsupimp
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Respectfully, America didn't become prosperous and cohesive by celebrating loneliness. It became prosperous because millions of people pursued their own dreams while simultaneously building some of the strongest voluntary communities in human history.
The celebration of loneliness is a byproduct, not the goal.
quote:modernity as in technology? Just overall modern society (secular, consumer- driven)?
It’s more modernity that alienates us than political system, imho.
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American culture is ripe for community, we just have to put our phones down and pay attention to one another.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:43 am to Narax
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Intense irony using a book about the boomers to try to understand the young as if they were boomers.
The book isn’t about boomers. It’s about humans.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:47 am to 4cubbies
All of it- but just living an a highly materialist world- where we are told we will find meaning in things instead of in people. Sitting home alone in a mansion feels a lot worse that being surrounded by family and friends In an apartment.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:51 am to Lsupimp
I guess that’s why the simplest people seem happiest. The pastor at my church is always full of joy yet he owns very little. Meanwhile we see Elon Musk accumulating more and more (money, children, baby mamas) and we can clearly see who the happier, more fulfilled person is.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 8:58 am to 4cubbies
George Washington had power and his belief that he fought to make a Republic was paramount and he surrendered that power at Annapolis. Without him we might not have won the Independence we now celebrate.
Then he did it again as our first President setting precedents and establishing limits to power.
Washington had character, morals, trust in Providence and courage. If today’s youth need inspiration as how to achieve self worth and self esteem, then look at him as a model.
Where may the wearied world repose when gazing on the great; Where neither guilty glory glows nor despicable state? There was but one.
The first, the last, the best. The Cincinnatus of the west, whom envy dared not hate, bequeathed the name of Washington; to make men blush there was but one.
Lord Byron
Then he did it again as our first President setting precedents and establishing limits to power.
Washington had character, morals, trust in Providence and courage. If today’s youth need inspiration as how to achieve self worth and self esteem, then look at him as a model.
Where may the wearied world repose when gazing on the great; Where neither guilty glory glows nor despicable state? There was but one.
The first, the last, the best. The Cincinnatus of the west, whom envy dared not hate, bequeathed the name of Washington; to make men blush there was but one.
Lord Byron
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:03 am to 4cubbies
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people who engage in virtue signaling have no self-esteem? I can see that.
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by 4cubbies
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:16 am to trinidadtiger
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Boomers created the greatest generational wealth the world has ever seen. They then invested it in the next generation spending money they did not have growing up, hoping the next would appreciate it.
Highschool attainment was 38% in 1940, by 1960 it was 60% (before any boomer graduated), college almost doubled from 5.9% to 11% (remembering mostly males went to college aka GI bill)
The boomers benefited from the greatest being the first generation that went to college in large numbers, their parents gave them a lot.
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Unfortunately that generation grew up a spoiled, soft, bunch of whiners who blame all their failures on boomers.
They gave money, but they also got divorced much at a much higher rate.
My wife is from the South I'm from the North East, there is regional context to this.
She and I often compare how boomers in the South were more like the Silent generation in the north. And Gen X in the south were more like northern Boomers.
Women’s Divorce Rate, 1900-2022
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:21 am to 4cubbies
The young don’t have a self-esteem issue … they have a social media / screen time issue
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:44 am to Narax
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Women’s Divorce Rate, 1900-2022
Who were women divorcing?
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:47 am to Lsupimp
The personal strengths that are cultivated in pursuit of PERSONAL independence and freedom - originally from British government tyranny - manifest in the Collective. Envy and Greed are clearly defined as “deadly sins” in Biblical theology and Jesus’s words as well.
Go to the Good Book and note that “Grace is MEASURED”, and not without qualifiers. Mercy minus qualifiers for its application - especially in a Systematic sense- is suicidal as the Collective subsidizes negative behaviors. No loving , wise and responsible parent would raise their child that way. Again, “behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction “.
Ultimately if the System fails then dysfunction, collapse and Darwinian principle rules the day. The smartest survive and the weak go away.
Of course, some believe that Jesus ultimately has power to affect the ‘random’ rules of Reality, I.e., ‘Miracles’. I personally have experienced scenarios where the ‘miracle’ odds are essentially impossible to rationally ignore. So for me it’s just a matter whether an all knowing Jesus chooses to bend the rules. “For the sake of the Elect “.
Go to the Good Book and note that “Grace is MEASURED”, and not without qualifiers. Mercy minus qualifiers for its application - especially in a Systematic sense- is suicidal as the Collective subsidizes negative behaviors. No loving , wise and responsible parent would raise their child that way. Again, “behold, there is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction “.
Ultimately if the System fails then dysfunction, collapse and Darwinian principle rules the day. The smartest survive and the weak go away.
Of course, some believe that Jesus ultimately has power to affect the ‘random’ rules of Reality, I.e., ‘Miracles’. I personally have experienced scenarios where the ‘miracle’ odds are essentially impossible to rationally ignore. So for me it’s just a matter whether an all knowing Jesus chooses to bend the rules. “For the sake of the Elect “.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
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The book isn’t about boomers. It’s about humans.
No man is independent of the world around him.
It's very hard to make that claim about a Berkley professor swept up in the counter culture of the late 1960s.
People are not monks living on a mountain, able to tone the world out.
Just as in that, the trends he identified such as the search for meaning in ones spouse, drugs etc... are not isolated, they have a massive impact on the following generations.
One cannot put the genie back in the bottle.
The 1960s through 1970s were a time when people did decide to live for themselves.
There is a knock on effect each generation deals with, it is known that the children of divorced parents are themselves more likely to get divorced.
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After all, what is it that we want when we elevate the love partner to the position of God? We want redemption—nothing less. We want to be rid of our faults, of our feeling of nothingness. We want to be justified, to know that our creation has not been in vain. We turn to the love partner for the experience of the heroic, for perfect validation; we expect them to “make us good” through love.
Needless to say, human partners can’t do this. The lover does not dispense cosmic heroism; he cannot give absolution in his own name. The reason is that as a finite being he too is doomed, and we read that doom in his own fallibilities, in his very deterioration. Redemption can only come from outside the individual, from beyond, from our conceptualization of the ultimate source of things, the perfection of creation.
You only get to uncork that genie once per family. One cannot reject traditional family if one has never been raised in it.
All they can do is continue to not embrace something they aready don't have.
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Who were women divorcing?
Men who often had already went to seek their own self fulfillment.
Which is my point, it only takes one person to create two generations of broken families.
This post was edited on 7/5/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 7/5/26 at 9:57 am to 4cubbies
I don't think many people view wealth as a source for self esteem. If you grow up poor you seek wealth as a way of avoiding going back into poverty. Super succesful people don't continue to seek more wealth for self esteem. They do it because they are really good at it. Guys who are good at golf continue to strive for a better scoring average. It's not to get admiration from other people.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:04 am to RCDfan1950
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Of course, some believe that Jesus ultimately has power to affect the ‘random’ rules of Reality, I.e., ‘Miracles’. I personally have experienced scenarios where the ‘miracle’ odds are essentially impossible to rationally ignore. So for me it’s just a matter whether an all knowing Jesus chooses to bend the rules.
In my own pursuit of understanding, I accept there are things that cannot be understood. God being the ultimate mystery.
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:05 am to Zach
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Guys who are good at golf continue to strive for a better scoring average.
Why?
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:08 am to cadillacattack
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they have a social media
Directly related to self-esteem
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screen time issue
Distraction from existential dread?
Posted on 7/5/26 at 10:10 am to 4cubbies
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Guys who are good at golf continue to strive for a better scoring average.
Why?
When you shoot your best round in years and you're playing by yourself it still gives you a thrill. If it was for self esteem you'd tell other people about it. But you don't. It's a personal goal that you've achieved. It's called having fun.
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