re: Scott Bessent With a Message for "Principled Conservatives" and Liberals

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It's a terrible argument all together. Iran hasn't even invaded any of their neighbors. They weren't going to come attack the United States.

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Iran's MO is to materially support terrorists and launch missiles and drones from afar. Saying they aren't a threat because they haven't invaded anyone means you are either dishonest or just plain dumb.

This whole conflict has been based around Iran launching missiles and drones, but you want to pretend the only way a country can be a threat is through a military invasion to avoid acknowledging reality.

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So the argument is that we have to destabilize the global economy now to prevent Iran from potentially destabilizing it later?

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short term pain for future stability vs no pain now but catastrophic pain down the road..

I've long thought the real case is:

- Iran despite the loss of their proxies has been a thorn in the side of us for decades, and a direct enemy much of the time, even if their ability to harm us was limited.

- Iran remained a post-Abraham Accords limiting factor for regional security that threatened the practical ability of the US to retract from the region.

- Israel was pushing us very hard to move with them prior to our entry, likely on the basis of "one last job before you go"

- There was a minimal near term threat of a weapon going online, but a meaningful near term threat of Iran continuing to bolster defenses such that the cost of setting the nuclear threat back (perhaps when it was more imminent) would be higher than we want

- A generalized "we're settling all the old scores before we go Fortress America" thing.

Which is all intellectually sound, defensible, so forth. You heard some of this at various points, you hear little of it now.

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And I promise you President WOODROW WILSON — who was president during WWI — the Germans did not attack us. He got into that, it was a war of principle, and President Wilson felt the same.

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Did this dipshit pass his highschool history classes?

The Lusitania and Mr. Zimmerman say hello.

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Imagine being a congresswoman and not knowing who was POTUS during WW1.

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I dropped out of high school and I knew it was the vile progressive Woodrow Wilson.

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So the argument is that we have to destabilize the global economy now to prevent Iran from potentially destabilizing it later?

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That's a very small-brain takeaway from the quote and the situation as a whole.

It's more about who's got the power of control when the dust up ends and the music stops.

If allowed to be Iran, they certainly will attain a nuclear weapon in short order and then they can shut down the entire ME and the global economy on a whim. They can eliminate Israel or any one of their neighbors. They can shut down the Strait of Hormuz. They can threaten anyone within range directly or indirectly and make them bend to their will for as long as that nuclear threat exists.

Basically this option gives Iran complete control of the Middle East and the world economy for the foreseeable future. We cannot allow them to have that power.

Whereas if the US and a coalition of allied ME countries has that power, you can finally work towards a peaceful region and unlock the full economic boom that comes with it. For the US and allies to attain that power, yes there will have to be a little pain now in trade for later.

But the pain is much much worse if Iran is allowed to assume that power for decades.

Trump says the nuclear dust doesn’t matter.



Bessent needs to get updated

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they certainly will attain a nuclear weapon in short order

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So we’ll been attempting to colonize the Middle East forever in the name of saving the world from WMDs.

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Imagine being a congresswoman and not knowing who was POTUS during WW1.

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Imagine comparing the current POTUS to Woodrow Wilson to justify the Iran war. It’s largely thought we had no business entering WW1 and if we hadn’t then maybe WW2 never happens

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Iran hasn't even invaded any of their neighbors. They weren't going to come attack the United States.

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Convenient to ignore the proxy war Iran has been fighting since the 70s after they did invade American territory.