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Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:15 pm to Meauxjeaux
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Just trying to get the story straight.
Be ready to be called bootlicker.
Well he is. Its all on video and this dude thinks there is "more to the story".....
He and a few others seem uncapable of forming a common sense thought to this event that started and ended with the cop making terrible decisions.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:19 pm to ChineseBandit58
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But, it is a blip compared to the entire panoply of cop interactions.
Depends on what your definition of "blip" is. Whatever your definition, the fact is this kind of incident is far, far too common.
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For every one of these unacceptable incidents, there are millions of extraordinary heroism
Holy shite are you deluded.
I live in Gilbert, an upper-middle class suburb of Phoenix. It's one of the safest cities its size in the country. We are next door to Chandler, Mesa, Tempe and Ahwatukee - Mesa being the only city that is more middle/lower-middle class. Over the last several years (say 6 or 7) and within a 10 mile radius of my home, I can name 4 incidents like this one but where the victim died. In each case the city ended up paying damages. I don't watch the local news, so there may be more incidents like this. Stands to reason there'd be a few where the victim didn't die.
You are suggesting that over this same period, there are 10 million or more incidents where my local police have performed a heroic act. This is retarded.
There is a policing problem in America. Law enforcement is far too militarized, violent, and grossly undertrained. But the Left hijacks this issue by not accepting that it isn't racial, so nothing is ever done or even discussed.
Here's a sample of the 4 incidents I refer to above -
Cops play Simon says and shoot the loser
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:22 pm to JayDeerTay84
Didn't read this whole thread and the cop seems largely in the wrong, but am I seeing the video correctly that after the cop opened the door, the kid put the car in reverse and backed up hitting the cop with the door, and then the cop pulled his gun and shot?
The driver didn't just, as the OP represented, "turn towards the interior of the car" - rather, he put the car in reverse, backed up causing the door to hit the cop before the cop pulled his gun and shot him.
We should at least describe what happened honestly.
The driver didn't just, as the OP represented, "turn towards the interior of the car" - rather, he put the car in reverse, backed up causing the door to hit the cop before the cop pulled his gun and shot him.
We should at least describe what happened honestly.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:22 pm to Ag Zwin
Hindsight is always 20/20.
In watching the body cam, he said it's the car that fled from him the day before. When he goes and open the door, happened to be unlocked, the way the kid looks shocked and throws the car into gear made me think that it was in fact the same guy and he remembered the cop and tried to flee again knocking him down with the door. Based on that alone, the first shots were justified. The second grouping was questionable given the circumstances at that time. If it was in fact the person that fled the other day, this isn't a story. It's because it wasn't. Cop called in back up and should have just sat tight.
In watching the body cam, he said it's the car that fled from him the day before. When he goes and open the door, happened to be unlocked, the way the kid looks shocked and throws the car into gear made me think that it was in fact the same guy and he remembered the cop and tried to flee again knocking him down with the door. Based on that alone, the first shots were justified. The second grouping was questionable given the circumstances at that time. If it was in fact the person that fled the other day, this isn't a story. It's because it wasn't. Cop called in back up and should have just sat tight.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:25 pm to Areddishfish
I thin the cop went about this wrong. should have called in backup or at least pulled up on the backend of the guys car and ordered him to get out of the car. IMO just walking up and opening the door of the car was not a great tactical move.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:25 pm to elposter
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We should at least describe what happened honestly.
Good luck with that. This thread makes it clear that most have no desire to do that and that it is apparently a fool's errand. Until the person shot is black. Then ALL the facts will matter and suddenly everybody will care.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:27 pm to SUB
Exactly. Title should read "Some stupid kid tries to flee from cop and gets shot"
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:28 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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This is the headline.
Not the stupid lie that he was shot for eating while not driving.
Good grief.
The cop yanked open the car door of a kid minding his own business and screamed for him to get out of his car. The kid asked why, then the cop lost his shite and started shooting at a terrified teenager who's still chewing his hamburger. The cop continued firing at the terrified teenager as he tried to escape an unstable lunatic who's life was not in danger. That's the only thing that can be inferred from watching that video.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:29 pm to Areddishfish
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Hindsight is always 20/20.
In watching the body cam, he said it's the car that fled from him the day before.
So he thinks this is the car yet doest park his police SUV behind him?
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When he goes and open the door, happened to be unlocked, the way the kid looks shocked and throws the car into gear made me think that it was in fact the same guy and he remembered the cop and tried to flee again knocking him down with the door. Based on that alone, the first shots were justified.
Knocked him down?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:30 pm to diat150
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IMO just walking up and opening the door of the car was not a great tactical move.
Is it even legal? Can a cop walk up, open your door and demand you get out without identifying himself and establishing why he's at your door in the first place? Further, he can't compel you to get out of the car without probable cause, right?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:30 pm to AubieinNC2009
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end qualified immunity for stupid crap like this and cops will be more careful.
I don't think ending it is feasible but it definitely needs some adjustments, and that goes for other players in the DOJ as well.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:32 pm to SUB
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The dude literally started driving in reverse when the Cop told him to get out of the car.
He didn't start backing up until Officer Fuknutz starting shooting at him.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:37 pm to Ag Zwin
I love these threads because you have the camp who is pro-cop diminishing responsibility and you have the other camp who is blind to several aggravating factors of the kid's actions and behavior.
Pretty sure they both fricked up here; moreso the renegade cop however. That's where I'm at. If the kid didn't try and get away, he'd be home having sex with his chick right now. Instead, he's in a hospital bed somewhere probably clinging to life.
Pretty sure they both fricked up here; moreso the renegade cop however. That's where I'm at. If the kid didn't try and get away, he'd be home having sex with his chick right now. Instead, he's in a hospital bed somewhere probably clinging to life.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:38 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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The cop opened the car door of a kid minding his own business and told him to get out of his car. The kid asked why, then put the car in reverse and started to flee, then the cop lost his shite and started shooting at the thug
I fixed it for you.
Pay attention: When you embellish the story and purposefully leave out facts others will see in the video
YOU
HAVE
AN
AGENDA
Conclusion: Almost 99.9% of people who do this shite, have had some interaction with police that didn't go well when they acted like an a-hole and tell everyone "I didn't do nuthin".
Riiiigghhhtttt.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:40 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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He didn't start backing up until Officer Fuknutz starting shooting at him.
Complete lie that is easily proven false by the fricking video. Stop being a dumbass just because you hate the po-po
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:42 pm to SUB
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when the car was put in reverse, the door came into contact with him (it appears).
As soon as a car moves an inch, it gets called a deadly weapon. And cops blast it into smithereens.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:43 pm to elposter
In Texas, a vehicle is considered an extension of the domicile for legal carry purposes... be interesting if the cop could be charged for unlawful entry as well.
I'm sure he will claim probable cause, but that was bullshite. I question whether even the cop opening the door was lawful. Maybe TX LEOs can add to/correct my understanding.
I also speculate if this was gang related and/or a mistaken identity. You also have to realize that there are wealthy people from Mexico in SA, and this is exactly the kind of hit (using paid officers or impostors) a cartel would perform. There needs to be all sorts of investigation into this before it gets swept under the rug.
I'm sure he will claim probable cause, but that was bullshite. I question whether even the cop opening the door was lawful. Maybe TX LEOs can add to/correct my understanding.
I also speculate if this was gang related and/or a mistaken identity. You also have to realize that there are wealthy people from Mexico in SA, and this is exactly the kind of hit (using paid officers or impostors) a cartel would perform. There needs to be all sorts of investigation into this before it gets swept under the rug.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:44 pm to Areddishfish
quote:Absolute horseshite.
In watching the body cam, he said it's the car that fled from him the day before. When he goes and open the door, happened to be unlocked, the way the kid looks shocked and throws the car into gear made me think that it was in fact the same guy and he remembered the cop and tried to flee again knocking him down with the door. Based on that alone, the first shots were justified. The second grouping was questionable given the circumstances at that time. If it was in fact the person that fled the other day, this isn't a story. It's because it wasn't. Cop called in back up and should have just sat tight.
This cop decided to escalate this situation and the one that paid the price was the man trying to eat a burger.
I dont care if he did anything the night before. The cop had every resource available to investigate this and check it out safely and legally.
He chose to go all bravado bullshite and a kid damn near got killed. Not to mention all the folks that may have been in the parking lot as he fired into the car
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:51 pm to JayDeerTay84
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So it’s ok for the cop to mistakenly open a strangers door and demand they get out but if the civ does something by mistake under fear, justified blasting?
Lol.
I know reading can be difficult sometimes, but did you catch the part where I said:
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I'm not saying the cop was right here. Particularly in light of the fact the kid in the car doesn't appear to do anything which looks like an immediate threat to the cop's life. But the kid trying to run is what, rightly or wrongly, led to the shots.
The kid trying to drive away is what led to the shooting. Now that doesn't mean the shooting was justified under the circumstances. In fact, in just viewing the raw video it's hard to say it was. But there can be two distinct issues in an analysis. The attempting to run is what caused the cop to shoot. That seems abundantly clear. Whether the officer was justified in taking such action under the circumstances is a completely different analysis.
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