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re: Russia and China were big allies with USA during World War II.

Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6536 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:36 pm to
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We were never allies with Russia. We lent them weaponry, fuel and supplies until we entered the war. Enemies of your enemies are NOT your friends, just temporary teammates.


Apparently FDR’s War Department had different ideas.

Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:40 pm to
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They were a named member of the “Big Four” (U.S., U.K., China and Soviet Union….France dropped out lol) which was the alliance literally named the Allied powers. It was as such until the entire war, both theaters, was over. Am I missing your point? Because it appears as if you are incorrect.

Your shite is rapidly getting stale.

The government of China with which we were allied in WWII now resides in Taiwan.

The government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with which we were allied in WWII has been dissolved.
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 12:53 pm
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112538 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:44 pm to
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We were never allies with Russia. We lent them weaponry, fuel and supplies until we entered the war. Enemies of your enemies are NOT your friends, just temporary teammates.


The problem was that Russian leaders were under tremendous pressure to demonstrate to the world that communism was better than capitalism and that the whole world should join them. Long before WWII they were driven by false messages and propaganda about how great they were doing. That's why after WWII they taught school children that 'the allies' did not win WWII. The Russians won it.

There were some Americans in govt who agreed with them about communism (McCarthy was right). But there were lots of people in US govt and our military that wanted as little to do with them as possible because they knew Russia couldn't be trusted.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64414 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:47 pm to
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Apparently FDR’s War Department had different ideas.


No. Not really. We armed the Russians to kill more Germans so as to have less Germans to kill ourselves. Why yall are on this dead end road beats me. Many in the US War Dept wanted to contain or out right attack Russia in 1945. Allies?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67144 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:47 pm to
We were allied with the Republic of China, not the Chinese Communist Party. After the war, the CCP won the civil war and the Republic of China retreated to Taiwan.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27616 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:01 pm to
Japan and Italy were our allies in WWI then our enemies just 25 years later....so what's your point?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30201 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:04 pm to
Is your assessment of my shite getting stale an accurate and reliable one, you think? Because I can easily see that you didn’t even fully read it because had you done so you’d have noticed where I clearly said the alliance lasted to the end of the war. So I feel inclined to respond with fair retaliation for your offensive aggression towards me. Unwarranted and most importantly…..wrong.

So here goes: do us all a favor but more importantly do yourself a favor and don’t attempt any more thinking and definitely no more attempts at communicating. Just sit back and stay out of the way. You’ve managed to lower our entire group average to a lower level. Could you do that for us possibly, stray mutt?

Don’t be fooled by the nice guy stuff…..I’m pretty skilled in the insult and attack game too.
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:20 pm to
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Is your assessment of my shite getting stale an accurate and reliable one, you think?

Yes.
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I clearly said the alliance lasted to the end of the war.

We are still allied with the Chinese government in Taiwan.
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I’m pretty skilled in the insult and attack game too.


Hardly, case in point:
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do us all a favor but more importantly do yourself a favor and don’t attempt any more thinking and definitely no more attempts at communicating. Just sit back and stay out of the way. You’ve managed to lower our entire group average to a lower level. Could you do that for us possibly, stray mutt?


That shite's lame as frick.

You're just trying too hard to be more clever than you are. Give it a rest and just try to be yourself.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17307 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:26 pm to
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ChewyDante
nailed it.

Occasionally popular culture, especially Hollywood, provides insight into the mindset of the US government towards its allies and adversaries. There are two movies, ironically both screwball comedies made just 3 years apart, which demonstrated the dramatic shift in US-Soviet relations.

The first, Comrade X, made in 1940 and actually released just as WWII began in earnest in Europe, portrays the USSR as a brutal, ugly, hopelessly corrupt regime, capable of senseless slaughter of their own citizens (and even the murder of their own government officials) just to maintain control - pretty dark stuff for a comic farce, but it works.



Then, in 1943 with the US fully involved, came this Warner Bros adaptation of a successful Broadway comedy, The Doughgirls, which is as close as they ever came to making a live-action Looney Tunes cartoon. In it Eve Arden (who is also featured in Comrade X) plays a Soviet sniper who befriends the title characters, and is praised for “killing Nyatzis” and extols the virtues of “Uncle Joe”.



There are countless other examples of prewar ethnic stereotypes of Germans, Italians and Japanese shown in positive lights, before they became either incompetent fools or bloodthirsty monsters after Pearl Harbor.

But make no mistake - we were full on allies with the USSR for the duration. Truman even notified Stalin of the existence of the A-Bomb at Potsdam, before the American people found out about it.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30201 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:54 pm to
You obviously don’t have anyone in your life bright enough or capable enough to artfully tell you to maybe scale it back some, or fully, given your consistent uninformed and void of basic common sense you are. You’ve been deceived into false confidence by the other 5 or 6 of your likeminded buddies here who share the same disease. But you’ve had ample opportunity to figure it out on your own simply from how your received here.

But I ain’t gonna dog you out anymore. That’s my bad for giving the minnow any attention anyway. Have a nice day!!
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13449 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:10 pm to
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They were also not yet Maoist China.


You are correct, and that "government" is now Taiwan, the same country we are giving billions too.

And during WW2 FDR convinced Americans to buy bonds from them, in today's dollars many many billion......and they have never recognized nor attempted to pay it back.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13449 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:18 pm to
An interesting fact about the war, and this is when China was not communist, I think it just shows culture persists no matter the govt.

During the war the US wanted to build a large airstrip in China to fight the Japanese in china and stop their advance. China wanted the US to pay for it. Now mind you this is during the time period of "the rape of Nanking" some real nasty things the Japanese were doing to the chinese, but they held off wanting the US to pay for it. So the US agreed.

Further delays because the chinese wanted to be paid in gold. So we agreed.

Further delays because they were bickering amongst themselves over who would get what cut of the overpricing for themselves. Eventually they built it.....by hand with thousands of peasants who didnt get paid diddly.

Some things never change.
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
8182 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:21 pm to
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And in the grand scheme of things, that wasn’t that long ago. Crazy how things change.


Allies of convenience. Th Soviets partitioned Poland with the Nazis to help kickoff the war. The Chinese government of the time was equally corrupt but different.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
12363 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:43 pm to
China technically wasn’t “China” during that time. Soon afterwards with help from Russia, they became mass murders alone with The USSR

Were weren’t allies with Russia, we had an agreement/non aggression pact that was immediately needed at the conclusion of wwII
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22411 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 2:58 pm to
FDR and his socialists/communists in his cabinet supplied Stalin with Lend Lease. The amount went up drastically even after Stalingrad and Stalin used it to advance deep into Eastern Europe and even used it to supply Mao to defeat the non communists of Chiang Kai-Shek. Lend lease continued to be supplied to Stalin even after Germany surrendered. While all the while Stalin was holding American pilots as pow's when they crashed in Soviet territory after bombing Japan.

FDR and his government were communist sympathizers.
Posted by reggierayreb
Germantown
Member since Nov 2012
16970 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 3:01 pm to
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Russia and China were big allies with USA during World War II


Enemy of my enemy is my friend
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
4238 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 3:05 pm to
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But there were lots of people in US govt and our military that wanted as little to do with them as possible because they knew Russia couldn't be trusted.


Like Patton. Who literally lobbied for us to take the captured German troops and attack Russia and put an end to communism.




Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80358 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 3:23 pm to
That's only because of the Philosophers' Legacy.
Posted by WonTonDonWon
Member since Apr 2024
146 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 3:57 pm to
Some individuals appear to have abandoned history due to its lack of alignment with their current beliefs. The prevailing political atmosphere seems to have led them to overlook the past's significance. It is alarming to witness how far people will go to reassure themselves. Let's not forget that Russia and Nazi Germany were once allies before turning against each other, dividing Poland, and murdering both social and military elites.

Russia's actions of bombing apartment blocks and murdering first responders clearly amount to terrorism. They refer to it as a Double TAp, targeting civilians without a doubt. It is clear that some have strayed from the path with their political views. While I don't believe most individuals share the same extreme views as expressed in their posts, the reality is undeniable: Russia stands as a terror state, much like its ally Iran.
This post was edited on 4/14/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
7879 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 4:50 pm to
The craziest thing about World War 2 was that China was in the middle of a civil war when Japan invaded, and both sides of the civil war united to fight the Japanese

...only to go back to fighting their civil war the minute after Japan was defeated.
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