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re: RFK Jr Goes After Widely Used Antidepressants, Says They Could Be A Threat To Americans
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:59 pm to jrobic4
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:59 pm to jrobic4
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it's not addictive, but damn sure causes withdrawals
I think a better word to use is that they cause “dependence.” Addiction is a different level.
Both addiction and dependence have withdrawals as part of their necessary conditions.
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Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:04 pm to dualed
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started taking 10mg of Prozac a few months ago and it has kinda changed my life to be honest. It’s a low dose but I don’t have the anxiety and mood issues that I used to have. That said, I think it’s still overprescribed and I can’t imagine taking a high dose of it like some of the crazies out there.
You'll be taking a high dose just like those crazies. You'll become tolerant...it will stop working and they will up your dosage.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:04 pm to dcbl
I’m very shocked that it’s just 13%.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:33 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:37 pm to dcbl
These drugs are way over prescribed. They do help a lot of people with severe OCD for example but the rate at which theyre prescribed far exceeds the estimated percent of the population that needs to be on them in order to function in society.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:41 pm to dcbl
Couple of issues that I wish would be addressed…
There is no national interfacing with non controlled substance prescriptions. Docs can’t accurately assess what medications patients are on or perviously been prescribed. A doctor may be able to see what some patients have been prescribed but not when, and that is limited to certain systems info databases. This would help as a patient can go to multiple MDs and get prescriptions and can be forgetful on what meds they take or have taken in the past. It is not uncommon for patient going to a new doctor to be on dozens of meds
Many of these mood stabilizing drugs are meant to help people through rough patches, not be a permanent solution. Some drugs can and will alter the brain and damage it with continuous use. Side effects may become permanent issues that then are treated with other medications. Add other meds that the MD may not know about, and you have issues that spiral out of control and become debilitating.
The amount of commercials on tv now for mood disorder meds is crazy. It’s all mood, weight, and HIV commercials. We have gone from drug rep sampling to spending on commercials.
I hope RFK JR can get some things done to help with these issues.
There is no national interfacing with non controlled substance prescriptions. Docs can’t accurately assess what medications patients are on or perviously been prescribed. A doctor may be able to see what some patients have been prescribed but not when, and that is limited to certain systems info databases. This would help as a patient can go to multiple MDs and get prescriptions and can be forgetful on what meds they take or have taken in the past. It is not uncommon for patient going to a new doctor to be on dozens of meds
Many of these mood stabilizing drugs are meant to help people through rough patches, not be a permanent solution. Some drugs can and will alter the brain and damage it with continuous use. Side effects may become permanent issues that then are treated with other medications. Add other meds that the MD may not know about, and you have issues that spiral out of control and become debilitating.
The amount of commercials on tv now for mood disorder meds is crazy. It’s all mood, weight, and HIV commercials. We have gone from drug rep sampling to spending on commercials.
I hope RFK JR can get some things done to help with these issues.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:42 pm to dcbl
They’re about as rectified as placebos. But they have guaranteed side effects. Those are the facts.
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) have been shown to have statistically significant, but potentiallyQuestionable, effects on depressive symptoms compared to placebos[5]. A meta-analysis showed that SSRIs had small beneficial effects compared to placebos in terms of efficacy, with a higher proportion of patients reporting adverse events[1].
While many depressed patients report improvement with antidepressant medication, studies show that the difference between the response to antidepressants and placebos is minimal[3]. One study showed an 8.3-point improvement following placebo treatment compared to a 10.1-point improvement with active drugs[3]. The clinically meaningful improvement seen with antidepressants is largely due to the placebo response[3].
Common side effects of SSRIs include feeling agitated, shaky, or anxious, feeling sick, indigestion, diarrhea or constipation, loss of appetite and weight loss, dizziness, blurred vision, dry mouth, excessive sweating, sleeping problems, headaches, and loss of libido[2]. Some studies also showed that SSRIs could increase the risk of serious and non-serious adverse events[5]. A patient-reported survey found that the most commonly reported side effects were sexual dysfunction (56%), drowsiness/sleepiness (53%), and weight gain (49%)[6].
Sources
[1] Efficacy of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and adverse events LINK
[2] Side effects - Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) - NHS LINK
[3] Placebo Effect in the Treatment of Depression and Anxiety - Frontiers LINK
[4] SSRIs: Uses, Benefits and Side Effects of these Antidepressants LINK
[5] Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors versus placebo in ... - PubMed LINK
[6] Side Effect Profiles of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors LINK
[7] Antidepressants versus placebo in major depression: an overview LINK
[8] Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors – a review of the side effects ... LINK
[9] Antidepressant Side Effects: Types, Comparison Chart, and Suicide ... LINK
Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) have been shown to have statistically significant, but potentiallyQuestionable, effects on depressive symptoms compared to placebos[5]. A meta-analysis showed that SSRIs had small beneficial effects compared to placebos in terms of efficacy, with a higher proportion of patients reporting adverse events[1].
While many depressed patients report improvement with antidepressant medication, studies show that the difference between the response to antidepressants and placebos is minimal[3]. One study showed an 8.3-point improvement following placebo treatment compared to a 10.1-point improvement with active drugs[3]. The clinically meaningful improvement seen with antidepressants is largely due to the placebo response[3].
Common side effects of SSRIs include feeling agitated, shaky, or anxious, feeling sick, indigestion, diarrhea or constipation, loss of appetite and weight loss, dizziness, blurred vision, dry mouth, excessive sweating, sleeping problems, headaches, and loss of libido[2]. Some studies also showed that SSRIs could increase the risk of serious and non-serious adverse events[5]. A patient-reported survey found that the most commonly reported side effects were sexual dysfunction (56%), drowsiness/sleepiness (53%), and weight gain (49%)[6].
Sources
[1] Efficacy of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and adverse events LINK
[2] Side effects - Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) - NHS LINK
[3] Placebo Effect in the Treatment of Depression and Anxiety - Frontiers LINK
[4] SSRIs: Uses, Benefits and Side Effects of these Antidepressants LINK
[5] Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors versus placebo in ... - PubMed LINK
[6] Side Effect Profiles of Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors LINK
[7] Antidepressants versus placebo in major depression: an overview LINK
[8] Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors – a review of the side effects ... LINK
[9] Antidepressant Side Effects: Types, Comparison Chart, and Suicide ... LINK
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:46 pm to SaintsTiger
Exercise is more effective than medication at treating depression.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:48 pm to dcbl
quote:In the post to which I responded you made no assertion that it was overprescribed and had some use in some instances. You called it rat poison and said it numbed and subdued children.
does not make me wrong about it being dramatically overprescribed
I agree that it is overprescribed but for people I've known who have had it prescribed for their kids, even those that thought it was going to be BS, it didn't numb them or subdue them. The kids actually started reading their school assignments and stopped fidgeting and wking/running around rooms disrupting everything.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:28 pm to dcbl
About 12-13 years ago I took Wellbutrin, took for about a year. Not sure if that’s one of the bad ones or not, worked pretty well and getting off wasn’t a problem
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:35 pm to TerryDawg03
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Also, one man shouldn’t have the autonomy to decide which drugs are legal or illegal.
Don’t worry, RFK isn’t going to kick your front door down jam a perfect medium rare ribeye in your mouth, and pry the pill bottles out of your hands.
If you listen, he simply wants more study on the subject, which is reasonable.
But it needs to be a true study, not one funded by big pharma.
Was only a few years ago that the medical community finally woke up and released they were passing around opiates like a pack of Chiclets.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:39 pm to dcbl
quote:It's Ritalin or Adderal.
What is the one they prescribe for kids with ADHD? Or PTSD?
ridlin (sp?)
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:42 pm to SlayTime
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It’s always the ones you least expect.
quote:
least expect.
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HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 2/16/25 at 2:42 pm to the808bass
quote:Eh. Sort of is and isn't. It's perhaps not in the way that seems over the top and immediate. But I know several people who are basically "from my cold dead hands" about their SSRI...despite the fact that they are years (decades) in and it's clearly not working.
This is obviously false.
But I appreciate his hyperbole (as long as he understands it’s hyperbole).
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:19 pm to Diamondawg
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It's Ritalin or Adderal.
Someone help me out here.
Isn't Adderal a watered down version of meth?
Ritalin is a stimulant similar to meth?
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:24 pm to 4cubbies
True. Exercise! Also cat herding appears to make it worse . Be warned, delicate flower of our hearts.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:27 pm to dcbl
I wish we had appointed someone who knew if they were an issue or not. Instead of someone grabbing headlines to figure it out sometime....
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:34 pm to dgnx6
There is also INCREASED risk of suicide by some people who are prescribed SSRIs.
This is what they don't want you to know.
I know someone who was on the drug a very short time and they took their life. Got much worse after taking the drug. These are very dangerous drugs and should be avoided by most people.
This is what they don't want you to know.
I know someone who was on the drug a very short time and they took their life. Got much worse after taking the drug. These are very dangerous drugs and should be avoided by most people.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:35 pm to Bourbon Bebe
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There is also INCREASED risk of suicide by some people who are prescribed SSRIs.
This is what they don't want you to know.
What do you mean they don't want you to know? Literally every SSRI commercial has a warning about it.....
Posted on 2/16/25 at 3:39 pm to oklahogjr
No one should be getting their information from a commercial. What if they didn't see the commercial?
It should be the doctor's responsibility, but, unfortunately, family members really need to be educating themselves on it.
It should be the doctor's responsibility, but, unfortunately, family members really need to be educating themselves on it.
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