re: Reminder:J.D. Vance Is Correct.“Ordo Caritas” Has Strong Antecedents In Catholic Doctrine.

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I agree with Ordo Caritas, but, I'm sure that we must never interpret the doctrine to mean "be UN-charitable to some, and charitable to your preferred group".

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This is the most important thing to remember. Not once does ordo caritatis/ordo amoris imply that you don't have to be charitable to others because your family comes first. Charity and dignity are for all.

Crucially, this is where the bishops who wrote those letters are trying to guide JD Vance. Ordo caritatis also doesn't mean that we should ignore immigration law, but that we should treat people with respect when making decisions. Even Pope Leo in one of his homilies said that mass immigration of refugees is an issue that we should aim to solve- with dignity.

It's human instinct. Even if you are not religious. The pain you feel from 1-10:
a. Your child dies of a sudden illness.... 10
b. Your neighbor dies when struck by lightening... 6
c. You read that 12 Cubans drown while trying to reach Florida... 1

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I agree with Ordo Caritas, but, I'm sure that we must never interpret the doctrine to mean "be UN-charitable to some, and charitable to your preferred group".

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2 things:

1.) Vance said nothing of the sort.

2.) The progressive wealth redistribution schemes known as foreign aid arises not from charity but from taxpayer funded coercion.

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In fact, we’re supposed to be especially charitable to those who hate us and those who can do nothing to elevate or assist us, like the poor and migrants.

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Acquinas doesn't say that we are to be especially charitable to anybody or any group. He establishes an "order" to follow in our efforts to be charitable.

You may be advocating a Disordered methodology or doctrine of charitable practice. I would argue that if one practices a charity that involves breaking the law and taking without consent from one in order to give to the other, then that person is practicing a very Disordered form of charity.

"Disordered" is rather "term of art" that is used in the Catechism to describe various practices. It distinguishes between "ordered" behavior that is safe from sin and less ordered behavior that approaches, but perhaps does not reach, that which is Sinful.

Be careful to avoid Disordered charitable practices. If you are breaking the law in order to provide Charity, you might be actually committing Sin.

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Not once does ordo caritatis/ordo amoris imply that you don't have to be charitable to others because your family comes first.

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Vance didn’t say that.

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Crucially, this is where the bishops who wrote those letters are trying to guide JD Vance.

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Seems like JD Vance is trying to guide the church, and good on him for doing so.

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Be careful to avoid Disordered charitable practices. If you are breaking the law in order to provide Charity, you might be actually committing Sin.

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There is nothing “charitable” whatsoever about unfettered migration being used as a cudgel to advance a godless, globalist agenda that seeks to make citizens permanent wards of the State and render all humanity into a undifferentiated blob. It is indeed an unholy evil.

Yet it still seems that nation and native land, like the family, are permanent realities. In this regard, Catholic social doctrine speaks of ‘natural’ societies, indicating that both the family and the nation have a particular bond with human nature, which has a social dimension. Every society’s formation takes place in and through the family: of this there can be no doubt. Yet something similar could also be said about the nation. The cultural and historical identity of any society is preserved and nourished by all that is contained within this concept of nation. ~ Pope Saint John Paul II, LINK ] Memory and Identity: Personal Reflections.

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You people will pervert anything to make it support MAGA. Leave Dominicans out of your secular values

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He literally quote St Thomas Aquinas, the catechism, and compared to JD Vance’s quote and this is all you got?

Let’s try this, go through his post and explain, intelligently, what you disagree about his post, why you disagree, and why you think you are more knowledgeable.

Having perused both sides in this Thread, the Pope can be sure that it has been and is the MIGHT of this Nation, employed in a righteous and charitable manner that has kept the Vatican from being torched and Christianity subordinated to Marxist and Muslim rule. He’d better hope and pray that neither takes over this Nation. No doubt there are spiritual problems in this land of plenty, but if immigration is allowed to ‘equalize’ the US with the countries that the immigrants flee, then we can all kiss Christianity good night. Raw power, more so than charity is all that stands between our barbaric and evil human nature and the kind of spiritual change that all loving people hope and pray for. We are not at the point where our “swords will be hammered into plow shears”. That will come soon, hopefully so, but likely after the Biblical Eschatological narrative is fulfilled. The Pope should know that, but I really don’t know what he believes. Albeit he runs the Church while Trump/Vance are responsible for protecting this Nation, and by extension, the Papacy and Christianity as well.

It’s common sense to take care of your immediate family and citizens first. Democrats and Neocons are America last.

If not for Thomas Aquinas, there would be no Protestantism at the very least.