re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

Ive seen stuff, and I know it wasnt normal but not sure what else it could be.

Most of what I have seen has been close to air force bases, which kinda makes me think they were ours and we were testing something.

I think I am more open to the idea of these being interdimensional or previous civilizations who were advanced and went underground, etc.

I still cant reconcile interstellar travel yet. But my own mind is the limitation, so who knows.

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And he quoted it nearly word for word. That’s pretty strong evidence, Foo. Maybe you should consider all the other evidence I shared. The Qumran community believed it to be scripture. Tertullian believed it to be scripture. Just admit it.

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It was 15 words (in English translations). It wasn’t as if he needed to have a copy of 1 Enoch sitting nearby to quote the prophesy if it was well known. In a mostly oral society, they would have had a lot of things memorized. And again, even if he was quoting directly from 1 Enoch, that does not mean the whole book was considered authentic, much less authoritative. That’s speculation on your part, and an illogical leap.

As others have pointed out, there are other quotes or allusions in the Bible to writings or sayings that were not Scripture.

Tertullian was the strongest proponent for Enoch being canonical, but he was a supporter of the early heresy of Montanism which promoted ongoing revelation. Tertullian was big into prophesy and latched onto Enoch, likely because it is highly prophetic. Other church fathers may have had a positive view of Enochian tradition but didn’t promote it as scripture. The biggest evidence as to why it wasn’t regarded as scripture is because it didn’t survive outside of the Ethiopian tradition for centuries. The Jews by and large rejected it as canonical, and it wasn’t generally included in canon lists of Christians outside of Ethiopia.

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Enoch is a fictional character, Foo. I understand that, but “Jude” certainly believed he was real and that he wrote that book. Same as Tertullian who wrote that Enoch wrote the book before the flood.

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Enoch is not fictitious. He was historical and survived by the historical writing of the Bible.

Jude did not claim that he wrote 1 Enoch. As I said previously, you made an illogical leap there.

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It goes past plausibility into high likelihood. We know Christians revered the book of 1 Enoch. We know copies were spread far and wide in 6 languages. We know Christians were familiar with the literature and we have established prior probability because other Christians like Tertullian wrote specifically that they believed 1 Enoch to be divinely inspired and written by THE Enoch (before the flood).

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It isn’t likely at all. That is the word you are using because it best suits your argument. You draw unnecessary conclusions from the facts and then claim that the conclusion is factual. You do that all the time. You have shown yourself to be either ignorant of or lacking proficiency in logic and reason, and your conclusions routinely bear that out. You state speculation as fact.

Some Christians, like some Jews, were influenced by Enochian worldviews about prophesy and apocalypse themes. One Christian-Tertullian-even thought 1 Enoch should be considered Scripture. However, that is not sufficient to claim Jude thought it was Scripture or that he thought that Enoch wrote the writing called 1 Enoch. You are making a leap.

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The only one making an error is you and your ilk.

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You have shown yourself to be a poor logician, philosopher, and historian time and time again. You draw false conclusions routinely and settle on the least charitable interpretations of writings based on selective evidence that suits your own anti-Christian purposes. You are the one who is in error.

Anyone that has to refer to Enoch to formulate an opinion on scripture has already lost any argument in my humble opinion.

Any encounters with Bigfoot in Alaska? Heard it is kinda squatchy up there.

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Our local strange cryptid is actually a very large bird.....

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The elusive Alaskan moth-man? Seriously, would be cool if there was like a giant arse eagle or such up there.

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Anyone that has to refer to Enoch to formulate an opinion on scripture

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Who has done this?

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They’re like robots just executing the code that their church overlords have written for them. A lot of them - perhaps most - cannot be helped. Their brains are already mush.

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Look Foo, it is an established fact that the earliest Christians and the pre-Christians before them like the Qumran community believed 1 Enoch to be divinely inspired prophecy

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This is why I will not engage you. A five second Google search (emphasis mine):

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Some early Christians and church fathers held the Book of Enoch in high regard, treating it as inspired or authoritative, though it was not universally accepted as canonical scripture.

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In short, you are a liar serving the Father of Lies.

Why Foo foolishly continues to engage you and give you a platform for your lies I will never know.

How was his statement a lie?

Nah. He is very intelligent and knows a lot about history in general. He intentional draws parallels and makes leaps where it isn’t logical. He’s too smart to believe what he actually posts.

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Let me repeat. The only manuscripts that outnumbered 1 Enoch at Qumran was Deuteronomy. 1 Enoch outnumbered every other scripture in the library they preserved.

The most influential Jewish scriptures to New Testament authors was 1 Enoch. That’s a fact that I know you will deny only because you secretly value Roman Catholic tradition of the 4th century rather than the traditions of the earliest Christians.

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Jesus and the Twelve Apostles were almost certainly not members of the Essenes.

And yes, 1 Enoch, especially the Book of the Watchers section, appears to have influenced some New Testament authors and themes. However, the New Testament references and allusions to Isaiah, Daniel, Psalms, and Deuteronomy are substantially more numerous and foundational overall.