re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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Jude quoting Enoch does not automatically make the entire Book of Enoch inspired Scripture

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I assume you believe the epistle of Jude is inspired scripture. “Jude” in that scripture directly quotes from the Book of the Watchers when he writes of the tens thousand holy ones and he specifically calls it prophecy. Actually he said Enoch prophecized. The dude believed Enoch wrote that.

Paul references the same theme in 1 Thessalonians:

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13so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

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And “Jude” references the Book of Watchers (the first of the five books in what we call “First Enoch”) again here:

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6And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

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And Paul references the Book of the Watchers in 1 Cor 6:

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3Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!

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And in 1 Cor 11:

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10That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

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And “Peter” referenced the Book of the Watchers here in 2 Peter 2:

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4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

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Next let’s look at Hebrews 12 which references 1 Enoch 14:22-23:

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22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,

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You know what let me just quote 1 Enoch:

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And as I quaked 15 and trembled, I fell upon my face. And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater 16 than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire. And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to 17 you its splendour and its extent. And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path 18 of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire. And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of 19 cherubim. And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look 20 thereon. And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and 21 was whiter than any snow. None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason 22 of the magnificence and glory and no flesh could behold Him. The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times 23 ten thousand (stood) before Him, yet He needed no counselor.

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And John of Patmos references that same excerpt of 1 Enoch I just quoted:

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5From the throne came flashes of lightning, and rumblings and peals of thunder, and before the throne were burning seven torches of fire, which are the seven spirits of God, 6and before the throne there was as it were a sea of glass, like crystal.

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And for those that don’t believe in the flat earth and firmament, there’s the sea of glass like crystal reference to the firmament. Sorry I had to point that out.

Revelation 20:12 references 1 Enoch 47:3 about the books of the living and the dead being opened for judgement.

And then you have “Jesus” saying stuff like this to the Sadducees:

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You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

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Jesus is telling them if they’d have known the subject matter of 1 Enoch, they’d know that angels in heaven don’t have wives (only the ones that came down to earth took wives).

I could go on and on but I’m growing weary.

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any more than Paul quoting pagan poets in Acts 17 and Titus 1

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Two issues:
1. Paul didn’t write Acts (anonymous) or Titus (pseudepigrapha).
2. When the pagan poets are quoted, the author or the characters in the story don’t state that those poets are prophets.

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Otherwise every ancient pseudepigraphal work attached to Moses, Isaiah, Peter, Thomas, or other biblical figures would also have to be treated as Scripture

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Just about all the books of the Bible that have a claimed author are pseudepigrapha.

That of course excludes Paul’s seven more or less genuine letters and the gospels which are all anonymous.

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Finally, Ethiopia preserving Enoch proves Ethiopia preserved Enoch. It does not prove the universal early Church canonized it.

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Face it dude. 1 Enoch was early church scripture that the Romans of the fourth and fifth centuries scrubbed. The book, or fragments of it, have been found all throughout Egypt and the Mediterranean and Levant in Greek, Slavonic, Aramaic, Coptic, and Latin.

Seriously, pull your head out of your arse.

Oh come on now Squirrel… You are massively overstating the case and you know it. I didn’t expect this from you.

Nobody denies that 1 Enoch influenced Second Temple Jewish thought or that New Testament authors were familiar with themes also found in Enochic literature. That is widely acknowledged scholarship. The problem is your leap from… “the NT authors were familiar with Enochic traditions” to “therefore the entire book was universally regarded as inspired Scripture by the early Church.” That doesn’t track.

Jude explicitly quotes a prophecy attributed to Enoch… Sure. Paul (or whoever) also quotes pagan poets approvingly. Menander, Epimenides, Aratus… That still does not canonize their entire corpus. A true statement or useful tradition can be cited without granting full scriptural status to the entire work surrounding it.

Also, thematic overlap is even weaker evidence than direct quotation. By that standard, shared imagery alone would canonize half of Second Temple Jewish literature. Shared concepts about angels, judgment, heavenly thrones, books being opened, etc., existed broadly in Jewish apocalyptic thought long before the New Testament canon was finalized. You are also blurring together “influential,” “popular,” “widely circulated,” and “canonical.” Those are not synonyms.

The Shepherd of Hermas, 1 Clement, the Didache, and the Epistle of Barnabas were also widely read and deeply influential in parts of the early Church. Some Christians even treated them very highly, yet they were still ultimately distinguished from Scripture by the broader Church.

And your “Rome scrubbed Enoch” claim ignores the fact that the canon developed across multiple regions of Christianity, East and West, over centuries. There is no evidence of some centralized Roman conspiracy removing Enoch from a universally accepted canon. The much simpler historical explanation is the obvious one… some Jewish and Christian communities valued Enoch highly, while most did not ultimately recognize it as inspired Scripture. Even your own argument quietly admits this diversity by appealing specifically to Ethiopia. If the entire early Church universally considered Enoch canonical, you would not need to narrow the appeal to one surviving tradition.

Finally, the pseudepigrapha point cuts against your argument, not for it. The fact that ancient religious communities produced many texts attributed to revered figures is exactly why the early Church became cautious about canonicity in the first place.

If I am mistaken please pray for me to have understanding.

I’ll do the same for you as well.

Just scratching the surface here but A few things to ponder-

Do you think there’s bibles on other planets where these aliens live?
Do you think these aliens ever heard of Jesus?
Do you think that Jesus, the son of god, would have known about life on other planets and if so, would have included them in his teachings?

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Mo Jeaux

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How many times have you posted in this thread hoping someone would acknowledge the fact that you're an angsty teenager who doesn't believe in God?

Nobody frickin cares what you think about this.

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AlterEd

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Aww, have I crashed a thread where you’re holding court as the arbiter of what should be discussed? You think very highly of yourself. Here’s a hint for you, twat. No one gives a shite what you think about all of this either.

And I’ve already stated multiple times that I’m not an atheist. Unlike you however, I’m not a retard who thinks that the Genesis creation narrative is “accurate”.

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The existence of extraterrestrial life in no way invalidates Judaism or Christianity.

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It slams the door shut on all organized religions. All of them not just Judaism and Christianity.

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It slams the door shut on all organized religions. All of them not just Judaism and Christianity.

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That's quite the statement. Care to provide the reasoning for this?

Better revisit the Book of Enoch

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That's quite the statement. Care to provide the reasoning for this?

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You consider all religions other than your version of Christianity to be the product of man, correct? Non-divine works of humans.