re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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It slams the door shut on all organized religions. All of them not just Judaism and Christianity.

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This is what I was referencing. The atheists DEMAND this be the case and will get very angry about it.

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Squirrel… You are massively overstating the case and you know it.

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No, I am demonstrating an airtight case with massive evidence.

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I didn’t expect this from you.

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You’re obviously not familiar with my beliefs or my post history. Don’t act like you know what to expect from me.

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Nobody denies that 1 Enoch influenced Second Temple Jewish thought

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See, you haven’t a damn clue. I deny that, to a great extent. The literature and traditions of 1 Enoch are adversarial to second temple Jewish thought. The Essenes who preserved the Dead Sea scrolls preserved more copies of 1 Enoch than than any other book besides Deuteronomy. Yes there were more copies of 1 Enoch found in Qumran than Genesis and Isaiah. Have you read any of the Qumran literature? Of course you haven’t. They hated the second temple, believing them to be corrupt, blind, and not knowing and not following the will of Yahweh - the Lord of Spirits - and his father the God Most High. The traditions and beliefs of 1 Enoch were competition to the beliefs of the Sadducees and Pharisees at the temple. The Sadducees didn’t even believe in the coming of the Lord and final judgement and the resurrection of the dead and so forth (all foundational for the Qumran community).

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The problem is your leap from… “the NT authors were familiar with Enochic traditions” to “therefore the entire book was universally regarded as inspired Scripture by the early Church.” That doesn’t track.

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You are intentionally obtuse and full of shite - just being honest. Several people in this thread have explained to you that if you believe Jude is inspired, you must believe 1 Enoch is inspired as the author of Jude directly quotes from 1 Enoch and says Enoch prophecized.

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Jude explicitly quotes a prophecy attributed to Enoch… Sure. Paul (or whoever) also quotes pagan poets approvingly. Menander, Epimenides, Aratus… That still does not canonize their entire corpus

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Stop it. It’s already been explained to you that Paul doesn’t claim those pagan poets prophecized.

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The Shepherd of Hermas, 1 Clement, the Didache, and the Epistle of Barnabas were also widely read and deeply influential in parts of the early Church. Some Christians even treated them very highly, yet they were still ultimately distinguished from Scripture by the broader Church.

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I’m glad you brought that up. The oldest New Testament Bible we have in existence is Codex Siniaticus, and it contains the epistle of Barnabus and the Shepherd of Hermas.

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And your “Rome scrubbed Enoch” claim ignores the fact that the canon developed across multiple regions of Christianity, East and West, over centuries. There is no evidence of some centralized Roman conspiracy removing Enoch from a universally accepted canon.

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Except the evidence that Christianity was spread to the kingdom of Aksum in the early 4th century along with most of Essenes’ literature found at Qumran. That was before the church councils of the later 4th century. The Ethiopic church, cut off from the Roman Empire, didn’t “benefit” from the later evolving canon of scripture in the Roman Empire.

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Finally, the pseudepigrapha point cuts against your argument, not for it. The fact that ancient religious communities produced many texts attributed to revered figures is exactly why the early Church became cautious about canonicity in the first place.

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How does it cut against my argument that the author of Jude considered 1 Enoch to be divinely inspired prophetic scripture?

I’m glad you brought up the pseudepigrapha subject again though. How many gospels of Jesus Christ have been found now? What is it? 50? And you think the 4 you have are inspired and the other 46 aren’t? You guys have to fact the fact that the majority of Christian literature was pseudepigrapha.

But go ahead and say “nuh uh”.


You believe the majority of early Christian literature is pseudepigrapha, and I agree. I just take it a step further because I realize just about all of it is anonymous or pseudepigrapha and none of it is inspired by any deity as it’s all obviously based on falsehoods and imaginations.

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This is what I was referencing. The atheists DEMAND this be the case and will get very angry about it.

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Agnostics or Atheists aren't the ones in this thread using mental gymnastics to essentially convince themselves their religion isn't impacted at all by this.

Shattering. Life changing. Beyond belief.

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So the religious leaders story didnt happen?

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Don't know. Several pastors have come forward saying they were in the briefing. Anna Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett may be running point on it, but this thing involves a lot more people than those on the oversight committee.

It was said to have been a briefing led by intelligence agent types, not a congressional briefing.

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Don't know. Several pastors have come forward saying they were in the briefing. Anna Paulina Luna and Tim Burchett may be running point on it, but this thing involves a lot more people than those on the oversight committee.

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Didn't the pastor (from some small flock in Birmingham) post that video, stating he 'embellished' with his own beliefs and it was NOT the statement the Politian made... we had a X-post around 10 pages back with the pastor trying to 'own it'.

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And the author of epistle of Jude considered 1 Enoch to have been written by THE Enoch, the prophet.

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That's not what Jude says. It says that Enoch prophesied.

You are making the leap from a reference to a prophesy that is recorded in 1 Enoch to an acceptance that the entire book was written by Enoch.

Here's what Christian commentators tend to say about it: Jude was referring to an ancient tradition about a prophesy from Enoch, and that Jude was referencing Enoch's age or place from Adam to support the antiquity of the prophesy. The prophesy being known by Jews through oral tradition was included by the author of 1 Enoch, and that Jude referring to the prophesy doesn't mean he was giving support for the full book.

Again, you are making the error of assuming that because Jude references something recorded in 1 Enoch, that Jude thought that 1 Enoch was written by Enoch. That is not a logical connection.

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The guys on this site have their heads so squarely up their asses it isn’t even funny.

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Reference Book of Enoch = Nutter. It's something cobbled together long after Jesus.

FACT and the reference in the Old Testament is to Noah's great grandfather not something from much later.

Get YOUR facts straight