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re: RACISM: The fact that black doctors don't have to meet the same high standards as white
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:28 am to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:28 am to TigerAxeOK
quote TigerAxeOK
This is why they absolutely hate Dr. Carson. He became the foremost neurosurgeon on earth before liberal policies would have made it easier to accomplish.
I love that man. (No homo)
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Me too. All DEI practices should be done away with and have merit based policy's only.
This is why they absolutely hate Dr. Carson. He became the foremost neurosurgeon on earth before liberal policies would have made it easier to accomplish.
I love that man. (No homo)
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Me too. All DEI practices should be done away with and have merit based policy's only.
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Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:43 am to 4cubbies
The USMLE exams are standardized, but state licensing requirements may differ.
Step 1 Pas/fail
Step 2 graded with 1-300 scale, which is used when applying to residencies.
Step 3 is scored, but just need to pass for licensing.
These are the buffers that keep most unqualified MDs moving forward and being licensed. It is unbiased and colorblind. When they start making changes to this to accommodate people, patients are screwed.
Key is do your homework and find out where your doctor did his or her training. This will at least cut your odds of getting a quack.
Step 1 Pas/fail
Step 2 graded with 1-300 scale, which is used when applying to residencies.
Step 3 is scored, but just need to pass for licensing.
These are the buffers that keep most unqualified MDs moving forward and being licensed. It is unbiased and colorblind. When they start making changes to this to accommodate people, patients are screwed.
Key is do your homework and find out where your doctor did his or her training. This will at least cut your odds of getting a quack.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:44 am to NC_Tigah
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that still doesn't tell me alot
Have you ever tried an internet search? or do you prefer spoonfeeding?
I just realized though that you seem to be attempting to argue admission effects d/t AA/DEI were indeterminant or perhaps nonexistent. That is a misinformed argument.
Studies since the SCOTUS "Students for Fair Admissions" finding clarify against your contention. That is despite widespread institutional efforts at work arounds in the aftermath.
I am not arguing anything. I am stating that per the data provided, nothing shows me that DEI or favoritism was used in admittance based on race.
It could absolutely be happening. I'm not by any means saying it isn't. And for the record I think any technical job or education should be based solely on the correct qualifications, work ethic, and merit. But I'm not going to buy into outrage based on an incomplete dataset that proves nothing.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:32 pm to NC_Tigah
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Nor should you. General rule of thumb -- in a career educational/training process, the final contributory stage is the most important. Meaning, it's your doctor's residency/fellowship and performance in training which is probably where your focus should be, if you're ever looking at such things. Undergrad/MedSchool are simply steps arriving to that end. JFYI.
But we're harping on admission standards in this thread. It doesn't add up.
The insinuation is that someone who was accepted to medical school with an MCAT score that was 6 points lower than someone who was not accepted will be a worse doctor than the one who was not accepted based on MCAT scores alone.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:35 pm to Oates Mustache
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Tell me you don't know anything about the inner workings of the healthcare industry without telling me.
Residency is easy? Good to know.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:43 pm to 4cubbies
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The insinuation is that someone who was accepted to medical school with an MCAT score that was 6 points lower than someone who was not accepted will be a worse doctor than the one who was not accepted based on MCAT scores alone.
Safe to assume a correlation between intelligence and making the correct medical decision.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:13 pm to rltiger
quote:Pass/Fail on Step 1 was a fairly recent change pushed by "elite" programs. The back story started with elimination of preclinical grades and class rank at those programs (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc) about 15yrs ago. The reason being, their students (increasingly DEI influenced) were being declined for residencies in favor of better performing students at state programs, who had far better class rank.
The USMLE exams are standardized, but state licensing requirements may differ.
Step 1 Pas/fail
Blinding residencies as to class standing and grades meant that instead of a residency competition between a top 1% class-rank candidate at LSU and a bottom 15% candidate from Harvard, now residencies could only compare the LSU applicant with a generic applicant from Harvard (who was often accompanied with glorious letters of recommendation).
"Elite" school applicants began to reattain application advantages to residency, until Step 1 scores began to hold them back. In the no-grade/no-class-rank scenario, residencies assigned Step 1 scores more importance as an academic comparator, and high scoring state school applicants continued displacing their "elite" piers. So the same programs pressured the FSMB/NBME to eliminate Step 1 scoring, blinding residencies to Step 1 as well as grades and class rank.
Step 2 testing can also be electively delayed by students so their scores come in after programs have already submitted their match selections. It would not surprise me at all if some of the supposed top medical programs begin to recommend that route to students whom they expect might underperform their peers from other programs.
quote:The buffer is med school admission and the class size limits imposed by CMS. I'd guess 25-50% of rejected US applicants could easily go through the 4yrs of Med School and glide through USMLE licensing.
These are the buffers that keep most unqualified MDs moving forward and being licensed.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:20 pm to ArHog
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Probably a tranny or a Phag
Did you actually put thought into that reply?
By the way, for the record, I do not support lowering standards for any applicant...
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:24 pm to Ailsa
Damn, 14 pages 
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:27 pm to NC_Tigah
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Of course it does. And posts here respond to that idication.
So who is hurt THE MOST by woke leftist racist DEI admission policies in this instance?
Black Doctors who actually earned their spot!
More so than any other group, excellent/outstanding Black candidates get screwed by assumptions they are DEI and don't deserve their appointments
NC hits nail on head. Race should play NO role in the admission process. If anything, those applicants who are really poor should be given a "boost" because resources to obtain study aids, tutors, etc might not have been available to them.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:31 pm to SloaneRanger
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I guess if you just insist on only white doctors you are really increasing your chances of having someone good.
Apparently, if you really want a good doctor, insist on an Asian doctor. Their MCAT test requirements were higher than those for white doctors.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:34 pm to djsdawg
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Safe to assume a correlation between intelligence and making the correct medical decision.
This assumes that a 6 point difference in MCAT scores is a major indicator of grossly different levels of intelligence. The MCAT is designed to predict one specific thing: the likelihood of passing medical school board exams on the first try.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:36 pm to madmaxvol
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Apparently, if you really want a good doctor, insist on an Asian doctor. Their MCAT test requirements were higher than those for white doctors.
This assumes the best practitioners in any profession are the people who scored the highest on school entrance exams.
Would you prefer the new grad with a perfect MCAT score or a practitioner with 20 years of experience?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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This is a difficult conversation to have, because IRL, in terms of taking someone with the raw capacity to eventually outperform others, and elevating their admission opportunities above candidates whose backgrounds enable better admissions scoring, I am an unapologetic supporter of affirmative action. But those are far tighter criterion than what is being currently implemented via DEI.
Totally agree. Hence my socioeconomic point in my last post. Someone who gets score X on a test, with full time tutors, study aids, and time to dedicate is not the same impressiveness as someone scoring X while having none of those resources. But just using race as a normalizer for this is lazy and inaccurate.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:41 pm to Oates Mustache
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Tell me you don't know anything about the inner workings of the healthcare industry without telling me. You sweet summer child.
Yeah those 100+hr weeks and 28 hour calls are a piece of cake.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:41 pm to djsdawg
MCAT scores are not the sole criteria for Med School selection. Shadowing experience, leadership ability, prior research achievement, community involvement, psychological fit, regional/state affiliation, and your ability to articulate long-term, life goals and objectives during the interview process largely determine whether a MD/DO program accepts you. Don't fall for the MCAT red herring argument...it's one of the least important criteria for selection and studies have shown no correlation to performance once a candidate is selected to a medical program.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:49 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Totally agree. Hence my socioeconomic point in my last post. Someone who gets score X on a test, with full time tutors, study aids, and time to dedicate is not the same impressiveness as someone scoring X while having none of those resources. But just using race as a normalizer for this is lazy and inaccurate.
Socioeconomic factors and lack of positive influences for success are far more important than any disadvantage due to race alone...
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:51 pm to Ailsa
Here are the average MCAT scores for some random Medical Schools compared to those listed for UCLA's demographic scores.
NYU - 523
Yale - 522
Columbia - 522
Johns Hopkins - 521
Harvard - 520.4
South Florida - 520
Stanford - 519
USC - 517
UCLA (Current Overall Average) - 516
Emory - 515.1
Florida - 515
UCLA (2024 Asian Median) - 515
Ohio State - 514
Texas - 514
Georgetown - 513
UCLA (2024 White Median) - 513
UNC - 512
aTm - 512
Wake Forest - 511
Tennessee - 511
UNLV - 510
Oklahoma - 510
East Tennessee State - 510
Vanderbilt (509-528) *no exact average in study provided
LSU - 509
Alabama - 509
Tulane - 509
Missouri - 509
Louisville - 508
South Carolina - 508
UCLA (2025 Black Median) - 508
Arkansas - 507
LSU - 507
Kentucky - 506
UCLA (2024 Hispanic Median) - 506
Ole Miss - 505
Marshall - 504
Mercer - 503
University of Missouri Kansas City - 495
Every Average GPA and MCAT Score for Medical Schools (2026)
NYU - 523
Yale - 522
Columbia - 522
Johns Hopkins - 521
Harvard - 520.4
South Florida - 520
Stanford - 519
USC - 517
UCLA (Current Overall Average) - 516
Emory - 515.1
Florida - 515
UCLA (2024 Asian Median) - 515
Ohio State - 514
Texas - 514
Georgetown - 513
UCLA (2024 White Median) - 513
UNC - 512
aTm - 512
Wake Forest - 511
Tennessee - 511
UNLV - 510
Oklahoma - 510
East Tennessee State - 510
Vanderbilt (509-528) *no exact average in study provided
LSU - 509
Alabama - 509
Tulane - 509
Missouri - 509
Louisville - 508
South Carolina - 508
UCLA (2025 Black Median) - 508
Arkansas - 507
LSU - 507
Kentucky - 506
UCLA (2024 Hispanic Median) - 506
Ole Miss - 505
Marshall - 504
Mercer - 503
University of Missouri Kansas City - 495
Every Average GPA and MCAT Score for Medical Schools (2026)
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:52 pm to 4cubbies
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Apparently, if you really want a good doctor, insist on an Asian doctor. Their MCAT test requirements were higher than those for white doctors.
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Would you prefer the new grad with a perfect MCAT score or a practitioner with 20 years of experience?
Why would those be mutually exclusive? How about a high MCAT score and 20 years of experience?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:58 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Hence my socioeconomic point in my last post.
The class stuff used to focus on the economically disadvantaged. That all changed with Obama and "intersectionality" became the new hotness.
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