re: RACISM: The fact that black doctors don't have to meet the same high standards as white

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How? It doesn’t guarantee passage or graduation or a professional license.

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This is a difficult conversation to have, because IRL, in terms of taking someone with the raw capacity to eventually outperform others, and elevating their admission opportunities above candidates whose backgrounds enable better admissions scoring, I am an unapologetic supporter of affirmative action. But those are far tighter criterion than what is being currently implemented via DEI.

Let's make a couple of assumptions, Cubs.
(1) All doctors we're discussing are Med School graduates.
(2) All doctors we're discussing are licensed.
(3) Among all licensed med school graduates, there are some doctors who are better, or perceived as better, than others.
(4) Perception does not always equate with reality.

If 95% of wild mushrooms are inedible due to either taste or toxicity, and 5-10% are highly poisonous, those facts will affect perception-based judgment. So if given the choice between an offering of freshly picked "wild mushrooms" versus a pack of Walmart-brand mushrooms, most people would choose the latter. It would be a highly rational, logical choice. In doing so though, they'd not be aware they'd turned down a plate of freshly picked matsutakes.

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In that vein, given these two fact sets ...





.... what would you perceive the odds are that a Black Pediatrician is the top graduate in his Med School class? If you are being honest, you'd say those odds would be roughly zero.

The valedictorian of my medschool class was Black, and went into Peds. He is badly served by DEI and the rational perceptions it renders. It is what it is.

Insofar as perception-based preconceptions drive our behavior and trust, extremely qualified, brilliant Black MDs can be underregarded by the public. Not because they are Black per se, but rather because a disproportionate number of Black candidates are granted medical school admission via DEI. If that situation was reversed so would be the attendant preconceptions.

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The valedictorian of my medschool class was Black, and went into Peds.

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A doctor that deserves to be lauded (based on merit).

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Insofar as perception-based preconceptions drive our behavior and trust, extremely qualified, brilliant Black MDs can be underregarded by the public. Not because they are Black per se, but rather because a disproportionate number of Black candidates are granted medical school admission via DEI.

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Using logic is only going to confuse them.

The irony is that I believe that ALL races have high achievers that can excel.

I guess that they don’t share my belief in the intellectual capability of a select portion of our fellow citizens (especially black people).

I mean, I don’t want a white male of average / just above average intellect being my surgeon either.

Then again…I’m not stupid.

Did it really matter?

Do you go to a black doctor?

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Had a consult with an orthopedic surgeon. Younger black guy who I really liked but I kept thinking of this very thing.


That’s not fair for him. But it’s a real concern.

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Its a very real concern and I personally know a few black professionals who are very vocal about it. Unfortunately they appear to be a minority within a minority and get shunned by both sides.

When I need a doctor, I couldn't care less about the color of his/her skin. I've had white, black and asian doctors before and have been satisfied with every aspect of their care.

Data is incomplete. I just lists MCAT scores by race without listing any admittance policy or requirements.

Is admittance just based on test scores. Are grades from undergrad factored in.

Just because one race has lower test scores doesn't mean they got in just based on race. Maybe for example you have to have say a 500 or better to get in and they let in the best test scores in order and that is how the averages play out. I agree using race a factor for admittance over the best qualifications isn't a good play, but nothing in that data is telling me that is what happened.

Matriculation statistics for medical schools were posted annually by race up until at least a few years ago. It was eye opening and really frustrating to learn that MCAT and GPA averages of those accepted differed wildly by race. It was such a huge delta that the only explanation was that the system is, in some ways, expecting far more from Asian and white applicants.

The real issue here is that a lot of native Americans and African Americans are totally screwed by public schools, teacher unions, and the special interests that have hijacked all of those entities. If there is unequal representation in our medical schools, the correct way to address this is to take an honest look at the problems in our K-12 public education system that are charged with helping these applicants ready themselves for the world.

It seems like there is a problem with unequal access to basic education, but instead of sorting that root cause out - we just stack the deck in a way that addresses the symptoms of that problem in a hugely unfair way.

Another example of progressives in education resorting to discriminatory practices to solve a problem that they created. And trust me on this - all of the applicants know this. They may not talk about it, but they know what's happening.

It's obvious and deliberate. These are not rounding errors. These are huge deltas in standards by race. And it's not something that can be defended in a rational argument:

Note to self: Never go to a black doctor from UCLA.

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To be fair, do you care if random strangers doubt your competence based on their own insecurities?

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This doesn’t even begin to make sense.

that still doesn't tell me alot

If 10 black people apply and 8 get in that's 80%
if 100 white people apply and 29 get in that's 29%

You are still admitting 19 more white people. Like I said data is incomplete.