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re: RACISM: The fact that black doctors don't have to meet the same high standards as white
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:24 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:24 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I have not read the OP or any comments but this should end the thread.
the MDs were charming at bedside, and beloved by their patients who simply imagined the bedside performance matched clinical expertise
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Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:38 pm to 4cubbies
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I'm trying to understand the relevance of harping on MCAT scores as an indicator of physician competency or success.
Then why have an MCAT at all? Why not just throw all applicants’ names in a hat and draw a random 100?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:41 pm to NC_Tigah
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You are conflating Medical School applicants and physicians.
Every single physician was a medical school applicant.
quote:I understand that, but the OP and many posters in this thread deny that or at least won't take that into consideration.
First off, Med School acceptance involves far more than MCAT scores.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:42 pm to 4cubbies
quote:First off Cubs, 6 MCAT points = about a 25 percentile point differential.
6 points on the MCAT determine a higher-quality practitioner. My responses deny that claim.
That is not a small difference.
Second, a person sitting for the MCAT is not an MD "practitioner." So there is no "determination" along those lines. Hence nothing to deny.
Finally, the MCAT is a portion of capacity assessment. It is not nearly the entire assessment. But 25 percentile constitutes a large performance capacity difference.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:44 pm to 4cubbies
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It would be interesting to read a study that attempted to establish or disprove this.
Think back to high school. Who generally ended up more successful? The people who did well on the SAT/ACT or the people who didn't? Same for the people I know who took the LSAT, GMAT, MCAT. There are exceptions, but for the most part the people who score higher ended up more successful in life.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:46 pm to NC_Tigah
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Second, a person sitting for the MCAT is not an MD "practitioner." So there is no "determination" along those lines. Hence nothing to deny.
I understand that. Many of the posts I responded to earlier in the thread explicitly stated that those 6 points (or potentially 25 percentile points) indicated a higher quality practitioner.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:50 pm to 4cubbies
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I understand that, but the OP and many posters in this thread deny that or at least won't take that into consideration
It is mathematically impossible for the admission stats to break so large along racial lines without racial bias.
Unless you are suggesting that whites and asians are great test takers, and poor interviewers. And blacks and hispanics are poor test takers, but great interviewers.
That would, of course, be textbook racism.
This post was edited on 1/30/26 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:52 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:56 pm to chRxis
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dunno... if only the great minds that though of Jim Crow were alive today, we could maybe ask them...
let's not act like we haven't had a totally fricked up history with "tiered systems" basically the majority of our existence as a country
You talk as if that makes everything ok.
Awesome.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:58 pm to UtahCajun
Do you think context matters?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:04 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you think context matters?
What context, specifically?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:09 pm to chRxis
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this was created as a way of advancing minorities, rather than helping them catch up
This reasoning is just dumb as frick.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:09 pm to 4cubbies
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Do you think context matters?
Do you?
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:12 pm to 4cubbies
Could you imagine how much she'd bitch if these policies were reversed?
It'd be a big fricking deal then.
She is fine with racism, so long as its aimed at whites.
It'd be a big fricking deal then.
She is fine with racism, so long as its aimed at whites.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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That shouldn't exist any more than a racial bump should exist.
Why not?
If someone took 3 months off to study for a test and had full time tutors, etc etc and got a 35. And someone was working every day after school, just studied an hour or so before going to sleep and also got a 35....you would view those scores the same?
Context matters. Its why the #1 overall pick isnt the QB with the most passing yards (except for GOAT Burrow, of course).
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:15 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I don't disagree. But they should accept more doctors and expand medical schools. As it sits now, it is extremely selective and denying superior candidates (on paper) for racial reasons is illegal.
The bottleneck is not medical school, its residencies.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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First off Cubs, 6 MCAT points = about a 25 percentile point differential.
I know nothing of this current system. I miss the good ol days when it was just out of 45....
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:18 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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The bottleneck is not medical school, its residencies.
The number of applicants we have for residents is crazy compared to the number of residents we hire
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why not?
If someone took 3 months off to study for a test and had full time tutors, etc etc and got a 35. And someone was working every day after school, just studied an hour or so before going to sleep and also got a 35....you would view those scores the same?
There are so many problems with this statement. You are making a LOT of assumptions. The idea that someone went to 4 years of college, in a hard science major, but now just doesn't have enough time to study for the most important test of their life is completely moronic.
Or that an applicant just on the other side of some imaginary economic line is able to just take off months at a time to study.
Bro, that is some bullshite.
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:24 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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The bottleneck is not medical school, its residencies.
I understand that. Obviously the expansion of medical schools would include the expansion of residencies.
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