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FooManChoo
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And the inane fricks on the PTB who think "Trust Sessions" is a sick burn are going to look even more foolish.
Agreed. Some people just don't have patience and foresight.


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ThinePreparedAni
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/hedge-funders-have-some-thoughts-on-what-epstein-was-doing.html

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UNSOLVED MYSTERIES 6:12 P.M.

Real Hedge-Fund Managers Have Some Thoughts on What Epstein Was Actually Doing

By Michelle Celarier


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Long before Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to prostitution charges in Florida more than a decade ago, his fellow Palm Beach resident and hedge-fund manager Douglas Kass was intrigued by the local gossip about his neighbor.

“I’m hearing about the parties, hearing about a guy who’s throwing money around,” says Kass, president of Seabreeze Partners Management. While stories about young girls swarming Epstein’s waterfront mansion and the sex parties he hosted for the rich and powerful were the talk of the town, Kass was more focused on how this obscure person, rumored to be managing billions of dollars, had become so wealthy without much of a track record.

Kass was well-connected on Wall Street, where he’d worked for decades, so he began to ask around. “I went to my institutional brokers, to their trading desks and asked if they ever traded with him. I did it a few times until the date when he was arrested,” he recalls. “Not one institutional trading desk, primary or secondary, had ever traded with Epstein’s firm.”

When a reporter came to interview Kass about Bernie Madoff shortly before that firm blew up in the biggest Ponzi scheme ever, Kass told her, “There’s another guy who reminds me of Madoff that no one trades with.” That man was Jeffrey Epstein.

“How did he get the money?” Kass kept asking.


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Given this puzzling set of data points, the hedge-fund managers we spoke to leaned toward the theory that Epstein was running a blackmail scheme under the cover of a hedge fund.

How such a scheme could hypothetically work has been laid out in detail in a thread on the anonymous Twitter feed of @quantian1. It’s worth reading in its entirety, but in summary it is a rough blueprint for how a devious aspiring hedge-fund manager could blackmail rich people into investing with him without raising too many flags.


Twitter Info they reference:

(1/13) Let's take as our starting points two givens.
(A.) You are a committed, unrepentant pedophile
(B.) Because of your old job in private banking, you are very connected to lots of very, very wealthy people
We'll also assume a goal:
(Z.) You want to become very rich
(2/13) The obvious route is, well, obvious: you could just be a pimp, offering underage prostitute services to very rich people. This has two problems: you're very disposable (see: DC madam), and it's also not super lucrative. You can't charge millions of dollars up front.
(3/13) The second level though follows instantly: You don't need to charge up front, just get them to have underage sex, and then blackmail them afterwards for hush money. Better ROI, but you're still a liability, and producing and receiving big bribe money raises big questions.
(4/13) So, what to do? Well, the second idea has some merits. First, you need to recruit people in. Have lots of massive parties at your spacious home (check), invite top academics, artists, politicians to encourage people to come (check), and supply lots of young women (check)
(5/13) You don't even have to do anything, and most people invited might even be totally unaware of the real purpose of the parties! But, sooner or later, some billionaire will get handsy, she'll escort him to a room with a hidden camera, things happen. Morning after, you strike.
(6/13) You inform him she was really 15, but you offer him a nice, neat way to buy your silence: a large allocation to your hedge fund, which charges 2/20 (check). To ensure nobody else asks questions, you also take the extraordinary step of demanding power of attorney (check)
(7/13) The fund is offshore in a tax haven (check) and nobody will see the client list (check). Of course, you don't really know anything about investing, instead making up some nonsense about currency trading (check), and nobody on Wall Street has ever traded with you (check)
(8/13) The fund itself doesn't need investment personnel (check), only some back office people to process the wires (check). You don't want to money from non-pedophiles, or they'll notice you've just put it in a S&P 500 fund, so you reject all incoming inquiries (check)
(9/13) A $20 million wire from Billionaire X to you with no obvious reason will raise many questions, and the IRS will certainly want to know what you did to warrant it. A $5 million quarterly fee for managing $1 billion in assets? Nobody bats an eye.
(10/13) Because of this structure, you're extraordinarily secretive about client lists (check) because they aren't clients, they're pedophiles paying you bribes, and they also are very secretive, which is why no letters or return streams ever leak (check)
(11/13) Occasionally you may also try this trick on other people: important political figures, mayors, prosecutors, etc. They don't invest in the fund, but it's nice to have them in your pocket. Others (academics, artists, etc.) can just be bought with money as a PR smokescreen.
(12/13) And, of course, the scam can be kept going as long as people are willing to pay, which is forever. If you're ever caught, just lean on some of your other friends in government to lean on the prosecutor to get you a sweetheart deal. There's almost zero risk.
(13/13) And the last piece of the puzzle is the evidence. You'd want it somewhere remote, but accessible: a place the US can't touch but you have an excuse to visit all the time to update. Remember that offshore fund?

I bet there's a *very* interesting safe deposit box there.
Two small points of clarification:
1. This scheme works just as well if the billionaires are in on it from the getgo as a way to buy sex; I assumed that was obvious but I guess not.
2. There’s no need to invoke the Mafia/Russia/Mossad/CIA/etc, that’s just needlessly overfitting.

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Kass and former hedge-fund manager Whitney Tilson both emailed the thread around in investing circles and both quickly discovered that their colleagues found it quite convincing. “This actually sounds very plausible,” Tilson wrote in an email forwarding the thread to others.

“He somehow cajoled these guys to invest,” says Kass, speaking of hypothetical blackmailed investors who gave Epstein their money to invest, but managed to keep their names private.

The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.


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If the blackmail theory sounds far-fetched, it’s worth keeping in mind that it was also floated by one of Epstein’s victims, Virginia Roberts Giuffre. “Epstein … also got girls for Epstein’s friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically told me that the reason for him doing this was so that they would ‘owe him,’ they would ‘be in his pocket,’ and he would ‘have something on them,’” she said in a court affidavit, according to the investigative series in the Miami Herald that brought the case back to the public’s attention late last year.

In the 2015 filing, Giuffre claimed that Epstein “debriefed her” after she was forced into sexual encounters so that he could possess “intimate and potentially embarrassing information” to blackmail friends into parking their money with him. She also said photographic and video evidence existed — an assertion that looms especially large now that federal investigators have found a trove of images in Epstein’s home safe.


ThinePreparedAni
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Weird stuff. My life has been filled with lots of strange synchronicities these days...
Someone on Reddit posted due to Epstein’s NM ranch - Zorro Ranch

https://www.businessinsider.com/socgen-codewords-pizza-zorro-men-in-black-libyan-fund-2016-7

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SocGen used the codewords 'Pizza,' 'Zorro,' and 'the Men in Black' to hide corruption, Libyan fund alleges Ben Moshinsky Jul. 18, 2016, 11:22 AM


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Libya's sovereign wealth fund is seeking information on alleged "codewords" used by Societe Generale staff to mask bribery and corruption, in a $2 billion (£1.5 billion) lawsuit. The Libyan Investment Authority asked a London court to require the lender to reveal the meaning of words such as "cooking," "pizza" and the "Men in Black," which feature in documents disclosed by SocGen.


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Mohammed Layas, the executive director of the LIA at the time, was referred to as the "Baker," former investment chief Mustafa Zarti was called "Zorro" and Saif Gaddafi was known as "the Prince," the LIA said. The "Men in Black" were members of Libya's secret police who were "procured" to intimidate officials from Libya's central bank to buy financial products from the SocGen division where Jebali worked, according to the LIA. While the LIA has been able to work out the meaning of some of the words, its lawyers are seeking more information regarding terms such as "cooking."


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Jebali is quoted in an exchange with a superior at SocGen as describing meetings with Libyan fund officials using code, such as: "I say to him: 'Well, to buy the pizza, I'm going to tell you … its not a case of cooking as we normally do it, it's a case perhaps of helping them to buy … the pizzas," according to the LIA's documents.


I am telling y’all
Between here and the chans we are dialed into the collective unconscious...


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keks tadpole
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re: Q: p4627: Q baby at rally - Unraveling ToE Thread
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And the inane fricks on the PTB who think "Trust Sessions" is a sick burn are going to look even more foolish.


The same people who will deny his vindication with "why didn't take action sooner? How many children had to suffer?", etc. with no concept of the global ramifications created by the effect on the human psyche of the average working Joe, when you suddenly pull back a curtain exposing the most powerful and "respected" politicians, industry leaders and celebrities in the world humping 12 year-olds.



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I couldn't remember if I posted this or not in here. I know I did on the DroneAnon Tour of Epstein Island thread:

DroneAnon Google Drive folder of all the drone pics.



Sunbeam
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Guess this is the "scientist" they are talking about:

Portland State University professor who was Oregon ‘scientist of the year’ facing child porn charges

Will say the only thing Kappy said in that that was new and puzzled me was the reference to Bannon and Epstein.


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wfallstiger
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Silly question.

If we have it all, and assume we have for quite a while - other than for disinformation or some sort of head fake - why have a character like Acosta around in the first place?

Thank you for your patience


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Sunbeam
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I'd love to ask the writer of that article directly in a public forum exactly how Epstein's life trajectory happened even before he started his own financial enterprise.

1) How did a college droput get a gig teaching math and physics at an elite private school, one that had the spawn of varioius billionaires (and 1970's ones at that), celebrities, and VIP's?

2) WTF did Bear Sterns hire him in the first place? 1970's, Death of Equities, etc. But even then people gave their left nuts for gigs like that.

I guess he "knew" the son of that one Bear Stearns exec. Meh, maybe, who you know never went out of style, like ever.

3) But in 4 years he ran his own fund at Bear Stearns? We can't know the details, but I kinda wonder if he ever actually made a trade.

Maybe his career is exactly what it says on the label. Blackmail was purely a side thing - if it was a thing.

Come on, Slick Willie, Prince Andrew, all the rest of them, were so naive as to let this con man entrap them, because of their horrid weakness?

I think this thing was designed to acquire young people and children for sex - and also for whatever happened on that island and other places.

Whatever blackmail happened, it was because in the end it's all a game, and that's what they do.


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notsince98
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The Epstein connection to Acosta was widely known when he was nominated for confirmation. Having an obviously comped guy in a position could provide cover when SHTF to show that even members of Trump's own cabinet were impacted by draining the swamp.


Step back and think about this for a minute.

Would the media have covered epstien and the shenanigans that let him off last time be as well covered if the prime person who was involved was not part of Trump's staff?

Acosta would never have been brought back into the light and he wouldn't have had a big conference admitting Epstein was protected and he was ordered to stand down.

Trump hiring these folks gives them a chance to come clean under msm spotlight or it allows Trump to manipulate the media into covering what they did.

I don't think Trump is getting fooled on any of these guys.
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Paul Sperry ? @paulsperry_ Following Following @paulsperry_ More BREAKING: Carter Page told me nobody from IG Horowitz's office has contacted him for an interview,even tho they gave 16 hours to the Hillary-paid British informant, whose smears got him spied on for a year, to tell his side of story. Page said he has volunteered to be interviewed


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Jones
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That video is kind of chilling


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re: Q: p4627: Q baby at rally - Unraveling ToE Thread
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The fact that Epstein’s fund is offshore in a tax haven — it is based in the U.S. Virgin Islands — and has a secret client list both add credence to the blackmail theory.


Maybe some blackmail. Not all.
Anybody here brave enough to try to blackmail the Clintons?

I could see Bill paying up front for some private island party time. Or, favors for favors.

"You know, Bill, I sure could use some help paying for this party place."

I think we need the 20 year list of visitors. All of them.
DJT wants that full list. Asked for it publicly.


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CDAN has talked about Slick Willie's blindfolded oral pleasure adventures on Lolita Express for some time.


ThinePreparedAni
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Oldie, but goodie...


ThinePreparedAni
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Posting here due to Deep State themes:















Sunbeam
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What's the deal with this To The Stars thing?

I'm unclear on the details, but hasn't John Podesta been associated with it? And isn't this DeLonge guy "Illuminated?"

I personally have a similar beef with Randall Carlson. That little apron of his means I give no credence to a word that comes from his mouth.

Why isn't this a case of "Consider the source?"


notsince98
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Tom is being used but he is right and his heart is clearly in the right place.


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bamarep
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Speaking of Podesta, has this demented, perverted little bastard been heard from lately?

I don't think Tony has been seen since the day he walked out of his shuttered lobbying firm.


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