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re: Prosecutors are going to struggle to find anything the 'necks did that breaks a Ga law.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:26 pm to davyjones
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:26 pm to davyjones
The McMichaels were two Charles Bronsons thinking they were Harry Callahans. They were vigilantes pure and simple.
The fact that Arbery was involved in a minor misdemeanor trespassing is irrelevent to what happened down the street later.
The McMichaels were not cops. Dad was former LE....key word, former. McMichael stopped his truck in the middle of the street in front of Arbery. He got out of the truck with a firearm and along with his son set about initiating a conftontation with Arbery who was ostensibly out for a jog .
McMichael did not personalky witness Arbery trespass. He did not physically see it, and it is doubtful given the timeline that he even saw the security feed...even if he did, he did not have the agency under GA law to enact a "citizen's arrest"
Since the trespass becomes irrelevant due to hearsay. You are left with two men in a pick up truck attempting to deny a lone jogger his liberty. The McMichaels then compound their misbegotten righteousness by aggravating the situation by brandishing firearms and blocking Arbery's access down the street in a menacing manner.
Arbery had every right to believe that he was in imminent danger. Arbery had every right to defend himself. The McMichaels were engaged in an aggravated assault that ended up with Arbery engaging in an affirmative defense. It ended up with Arbery dead and McMichael the actor who pulled the trigger.McMichael engaged in behavior that he had to know was dangerous and behavior that directly lead to actions that led to Arbery's death.
A death over what turns out to be a trespass where nothing was stolen or damaged.
.....and , if the trespasser was wearing Lululemons, had bob hairdo and was named Karen or Nancy, McMichael would have stayed in his house doing whatever he does.
That is the reality. McMichael was trying to be the hero over something that did not require one.
The fact that Arbery was involved in a minor misdemeanor trespassing is irrelevent to what happened down the street later.
The McMichaels were not cops. Dad was former LE....key word, former. McMichael stopped his truck in the middle of the street in front of Arbery. He got out of the truck with a firearm and along with his son set about initiating a conftontation with Arbery who was ostensibly out for a jog .
McMichael did not personalky witness Arbery trespass. He did not physically see it, and it is doubtful given the timeline that he even saw the security feed...even if he did, he did not have the agency under GA law to enact a "citizen's arrest"
Since the trespass becomes irrelevant due to hearsay. You are left with two men in a pick up truck attempting to deny a lone jogger his liberty. The McMichaels then compound their misbegotten righteousness by aggravating the situation by brandishing firearms and blocking Arbery's access down the street in a menacing manner.
Arbery had every right to believe that he was in imminent danger. Arbery had every right to defend himself. The McMichaels were engaged in an aggravated assault that ended up with Arbery engaging in an affirmative defense. It ended up with Arbery dead and McMichael the actor who pulled the trigger.McMichael engaged in behavior that he had to know was dangerous and behavior that directly lead to actions that led to Arbery's death.
A death over what turns out to be a trespass where nothing was stolen or damaged.
.....and , if the trespasser was wearing Lululemons, had bob hairdo and was named Karen or Nancy, McMichael would have stayed in his house doing whatever he does.
That is the reality. McMichael was trying to be the hero over something that did not require one.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:37 pm to PsychTiger
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As usual, the Left picks a terrible person to hitch their cart behind.
are we looking at another trayvon martin? freddie gray? alton sterling? mike brown?
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:39 pm to KiwiHead
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That is the reality. McMichael was trying to be the hero over something that did not require one.
Yeah they made a severe miscalculation in thinking that they had this, no problem. Running man didn't appear to be a threat just based on physical appearance, and erroneously believed that the guy would fold easily. I'm certain if it were instead Kimbo Slice running down that road that they'd have opted to wait for the police, guns or no guns.
This is all exactly why the prevailing sentiment amongst rational people is to not dare attempt this kind of thing. Because there are ugly consequences if it all goes south.
Posted on 5/10/20 at 11:40 pm to Fat Bastard
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are we looking at another trayvon martin? freddie gray? alton sterling? mike brown?
Nope. Mcmichaels/son are arrested and safely in jail for aggravated assault and murder. This isnt like those other cases. This dynamic duo is pretty screwed based upon their own statements to police at the time. This one is a win for society, putting 2 animals away.
ETA its even sweeter justice considering mcmichaels history in law enforcement, his arse is gonna have a rough time in the pen with the other animals.
This post was edited on 5/10/20 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:53 am to jimdog
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These guys are guilty. And frankly they are guilty of bad judgement in not letting law enforcement handle this matter.
Actually, that is factually incorrect. The men were simply trying to detain Arbery until the police arrived. Unfortunately Arbery went violent on Travis and charged him. A scuffle ensued and the son had to use deadly force to defend himself. The police report indicates the officer(s) arrived on the scene shortly after the shooting. (A neighbor living across the street from the house under construction called the police informing them Arbery was in the house). Greg McMichael (a retired former investigator with the DA's office) had prior knowledge of Arbery's criminal activity in the past. Including his past arrest on weapons possession charges. Anyway, the DA (George E. Barnhill) wrote this in his letter to Captain Tom Jump - the head of Glynn County Police Department......
Third (Point)
It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, and Bryan Williams were following, in 'hot pursuit', a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until the law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia Law this is perfectly legal.
The DA went on to include reference to Georgia Law defining the parameters for a citizen's arrest.
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. - OCGA 17-4-60. (emphasis mine)
In the Police Report Gregory McMichael stated, "there have been several Break-ins in the neighborhood and further the suspect was caught on surveillance video."
If McMichael is talking about a specific surveillance video (videos) that show Arbery committing a burglary in that neighborhood (or any neighborhood) then we need to see that piece of evidence. We already have video evidence showing Arbery is in the house under construction. The owners security camera inside the house caught him snooping around.
I agree this is definitely not an "Open and Shut case" on the murdur charge against Travis and Greg McMichael. A lot more evidence to come out on this incident.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:56 am to jimdog
They're white and the dead guy is black so lots of crimes in 2020
Posted on 5/11/20 at 7:59 am to KiwiHead
quote:lesson most should take from this: DON’T frickING TRESPASS
death over what turns out to be a trespass where nothing was stolen or damaged.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:00 am to the808bass
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And a bunch of conservatives defend someone just because the Left is attacking them.
Got a few more times of being wrong before catching up to Eric Holder though.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:02 am to SLafourche07
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"defending" is the false narrative that has been put out by the left. "The victim was just out for a jog, and these racists hunted him down and killed him.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:12 am to patnuh
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They did something reallllllly fricking dumb and will have every media outlet against them. But I think this might wind up like a George Zimmerman type deal.
And the race baiters will PROFIT.
The timing is so suspect.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:17 am to patnuh
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They did something reallllllly fricking dumb and will have every media outlet against them. But I think this might wind up like a George Zimmerman type deal.
I concur.
The really sad thing in all this (including other cases like this err Florida)
that stupid laws allowing vigilantism to prevail in situation where no immediate danger to life is present until they themselves initiate the confrontation then realize they bit off more then they can chew and escalate the violence.
I don't think it's a coincidence that you see the same mentality of person involved in these situations. ( the kind who feels they have a duty to be judge jury and executioner.) much the same as the mentality of the people who own "proudly" the pit bull dogs.
Regardless of the legality of what they did, their lives are forever going to be changed. They will soon be regretting ever picking up those guns and going after Abery, if they are not already to that point.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:22 am to patnuh
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They did something reallllllly fricking dumb and will have every media outlet against them. But I think this might wind up like a George Zimmerman type deal.
Yup
And frankly, it might be easier for them.
Trayvon actually lived in the neighborhood and, all indications are, he really was just walking from point A to point B.
There's no evidence that Trayvon did ANYHTHING(misdemeanor or otherwise) prior to the incident.
And, while it seems pretty fricking obvious Trayvon doubled back to create the engagement with Zimm, we don't have ACTUAL VIDEO of him directly charging Zimm.
If they'd shot him as he ran by the truck, they're 100% fricked. And hell, they just might have done that too! Alas, Arbury didn't just run by the truck.
These dudes are gonna walk.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:24 am to Snipe
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that stupid laws allowing vigilantism to prevail in situation where no immediate danger to life is present until they themselves initiate the confrontation then realize they bit off more then they can chew and escalate the violence.
I honestly tend to agree. I mean, if you chase someone out of your own home, I'm frankly OK with it.
But, a lot could have gone wrong here beside Arbury getting shot. Bullets that miss travel till they find a home and sometimes, that home is another person.
quote:This isn't a reasonable depiction absent more information.
I don't think it's a coincidence that you see the same mentality of person involved in these situations. ( the kind who feels they have a duty to be judge jury and executioner.)
Had they shot him as he ran by, you'd have a point.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:26 am to Snipe
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Regardless of the legality of what they did, their lives are forever going to be changed. They will soon be regretting ever picking up those guns and going after Abery, if they are not already to that point.

Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:37 am to Snipe
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Regardless of the legality of what they did, their lives are forever going to be changed. They will soon be regretting ever picking up those guns and going after Abery, if they are not already to that point.
True, innocent men like gz and the cop who defended himself against Michael brown had their lives destroyed by our dysfunctional outrage culture.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:40 am to KiwiHead
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he did not have the agency under GA law to enact a "citizen's arrest"
Yes he did.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:43 am to GeorgePaton
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he did not have the agency under GA law to enact a "citizen's arrest"
Yes he did.
It has been shown a number of times they did not, so you'll have to provide a bit more than "yes he did" to change opinions on that.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 8:44 am to GeorgePaton
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Yes he did
Must have been in the presence of or had immediate knowledge of a felony. McMichael had neither and never stated he did. You think McMichael withheld that information from the police? Why?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:00 am to Turbeauxdog
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innocent men like gz
George Zemmerman was a POS. Whether or not he was legally justified in what he did, he purposefully put himself in a situation that resulted in a life being taken when it wasn't necessary. I suspect we'll find out this situation will be much the same.
It's a classic case of more balls than brains. I will feel no sorrow for these two much the same as I feel no sorrow for GZ. They made their choice when they decided to take the law into their own hands.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 9:07 am to BuckyCheese
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It has been shown a number of times they did not, so you'll have to provide a bit more than "yes he did" to change opinions on that.
Geogia Law OCGA 17-4-60. Please read the law before making a factually inaccurate statement. Read my previous post on this. But for clarification I'll just include a portion of the law......
If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
Gregory McMichael was a retired investigator with the DA's office with 30 years of experience. He knew the law. Read the police report. Gregory McMichael stated to the officer on the scene there was video of Arbery engaged in burglary. So they knew this guy was not "just doing a leasurely jog" on a sunny afternoon. Having said that, we need to see that video of the burglary(s).
Regardless, with the release of these videos (believe I've seen three so far) we continue to see growing evidence Arbery was up to no good. I mean, the narrative that Arbery was squeaky clean just keeps melting. One more thing, read the Police Report. The officer on the scene listed Arbery's Offense as: Criminal Trespassing.
So there was "probably cause" to detain Arbery, and Georgia law allows a private citizen to do that. The DA (George A. Barnhill) acknowledged that in his letter to Captain Tom Jump the head of Glynn County Police Department.
Again please do your own research on the facts of the case.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 9:12 am
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