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re: “Principled Conservatives,” What Are Your Serious Ideas For The Budget & Debt?

Posted on 9/11/26 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Marshhen
Port Eads
Member since Nov 2018
1128 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 10:26 am to
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That's why guys like Massie and Amash end up hated by populists.


Massie wasn’t hated because of his fiscal conservativeness. It was his grifting and lying that made him hated.
Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
927 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 10:51 am to
Massie reminds me of s slow pitch softball player that has warning track power but goes for the homer every at bat. He thinks he's the greatest when he gets the sacrifice out to deep center in a loss
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60462 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 10:59 am to
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What are your serious, realistic ideas

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that people would support and that stand a genuine chance of being passed through Congress into actual law and policy?


Those are opposing forces. As such, they cannot co-exist.

We are living in the Tytler quote (a democracy can exist only until the citizenry realizes it can vote itself largess from the public coffers - paraphrased).

No one who wants to be (re)elected to office is going to push for enough austerity to matter. Not only would they likely face losing, getting such a measure pushed through would cause at least a recession due to the economy being so addicted on LARGE deficit spending each year just to get us ~2% GDP growth.

Even something which should be common-sense like just locking spending at $X for Y years in order for inflation to work in our favor long enough to balance the budget (or, heaven forbid, begin to make a surplus with which to start paying down some of the debt), would be met with intense but quiet resistance by those running for office who know that the easiest way to gain votes is to promise for government to spend more on things they care about than the opponent.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49944 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 11:00 am to
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It's obviously not an important issue if you support Trump

you obviously do not support trump = SO

when/who was the last POTUS where this was not an "important issue" to you???
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22392 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 12:09 pm to
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genuine chance of being passed through Congress into actual law and policy?

This is where you are going to lose a lot of ideas. The fact that the current administration is finding some actual flat out fraud, and yet they still have congress pushing back on reducing spending tells me that Congress has no desire to get the budget on track and reduce debt.

IMO, the first step, and should not be controversial, is to address the fraud, waste and abuse. In this same bucket, non-citizens should not be receiving governmental benefits just for existing within our borders.

Next step will be to aggressively address foreign spending. We send out way too much money without any controls or oversight on how that money is spent. As a US citizens, if you own a company that receives federal funding (even if indirectly) over a certain threshold, you must have all of your receipts in order to show what money you received from all sources, and how you spent those federal funds. If you cannot do this, your federal funding is cutoff and you are investigated. Foreign entities should be subjected to the same standards, if not more stingent.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
6405 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:00 pm to
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I don't think you're correct in your assessment of the populists.


the heritage foundation which is definitely populist and putting people in place for a right wing populist movement definitely believe in what I stated

Mainstream RW populist are big on X and all agree about what I stated
The American conservative is a populist media arm and mostly agree on what I stated

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Especially since so many old people identify as populists.

Hardly any boomers are true popuist

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Only seen this way to populists and leftists


yea because atheism, no death penalty and open borders is going to fix this place.

Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2687 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:11 pm to
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GWB's SS plan would have been the most impactful spending policy in multiple decades


I like the idea in principle, but the deficit would be much higher today than it really is. Assuming there were no other changes in how we acted.

Now maybe the loss of federal revenue would have meant different approach to the 2008+ bailouts and how we dealt with Covid, but either way the deficit would be much larger.
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
2251 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 2:45 pm to
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Principled Conservatives

Never been such a thing, like Palestine.
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
227 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:38 pm to
Literal spending freeze effective immediately and not a single additional dollar of fed spending for 20 years, or until we start running a surplus. That'll force the scumbag politicians to either fund grandma's retirement or fund all their lying, thieving pet projects.
Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
927 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 3:48 pm to
More able bodies working, fewer freebies, economic growth and make congress do their job and pass a real budget that actually leaves a bit for emergencies. Also, inflation will likely need to be a bit above 2%
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
15089 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 5:34 pm to
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So good luck getting the average Republican on board with that plan.


I started out by saying that none of it was going to happen.

Why don't y'all read what you reply to?

Posted by Rza32
Member since Nov 2008
4707 posts
Posted on 9/11/26 at 5:35 pm to
Cut entitlement programs, but any politician who runs on that, won't get elected. So besides bring back manufacturing, keep tariffs going, and take over the hemisphere, not sure what else can do?
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