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re: Post your reaction to Massie losing
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Don’t libsplain the question to me.
You said DOGE was pointless without deficit reduction. That’s an asinine statement. IDGAF if they cut every department by half. If fraud and waste exist, and it will, it should be eradicated.
You said DOGE was pointless without deficit reduction. That’s an asinine statement. IDGAF if they cut every department by half. If fraud and waste exist, and it will, it should be eradicated.
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Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
I'll just give you this from another thread.
Again, it wasn't "Everyone else changed". Massie changed. He turned into a self-aggrandizing do-nothing attention whore.
quote:
"Why did Massie lose tonight?
Massie went from principled libertarian during COVID, to GOP leadership lapdog under McCarthy, to anti-Trump Epstein obsessive in 2025 after tweeting about that issue a whopping three (3) times in the decade prior. The nail in the coffin for him was voting against OBBB in 2025 because, according to Massie, it did too much to secure the border.
Trump mercilessly trashed Massie in 2020–calling him a “disaster” for America and Kentucky and saying he should be thrown out of the GOP entirely—but Massie easily swatted that away and won 81-19, so you can’t say he only lost because of Trump. He went toe-to-toe with Trump on COVID in 2020 and won overwhelmingly.
Massie lost because he went from being perceived as a quirky but lovable nerd who seemed to genuinely believe everything he said, to looking like a clout-chasing influencer who cared more about getting TV time with Democrats on an issue he clearly never cared about until five minutes ago than he did about representing his voters.
We’ll never know what caused the apparent personality change—maybe it was the death of his wife, maybe it was the McCarthy race followed by McCarthy’s ouster, or maybe it was a desire for notoriety or media acclaim and a lucrative podcasting career outside of Congress—but the drastic change was undeniable, as was the seeming lack of interest in much of anything happening in Kentucky.
Blame Trump, blame Israel, blame Epstein, blame the tragic death of a spouse, I don’t care. But you cannot just wave away 2020 Massie going face-to-face with the Trump machine and winning in a rout only to get smoked six years later.
Massie’s voters didn’t really change all that much, but he did, and they noticed."
Again, it wasn't "Everyone else changed". Massie changed. He turned into a self-aggrandizing do-nothing attention whore.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
You said DOGE was pointless without deficit reduction. That’s an asinine statement. IDGAF if they cut every department by half. If fraud and waste exist, and it will, it should be eradicated.
What is a better scenario:
1. Maintain Biden-level spending and deficits while eliminating wasteful spending to 0
2. Cut Biden-level deficits in half while wasteful spending still occupies 25% of the reduced allocation
?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:23 am to BugAC
quote:
Massie lost because he went from being perceived
Crucial qualifier
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Why do you assume we can’t (or shouldn’t) do both?
This is a false choice fallacy
This is a false choice fallacy
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Crucial qualifier
Explain this, in context of the rest of the sentence and paragraph that you made sure to not address that you thought we wouldn't notice.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:24 am to Taxing Authority
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The only person that said otherwise was your strawman.
The S in SFP stands for strawman?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:25 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
This is a false choice fallacy
No it's a hypothetical thought experiment to test which variable is more important to the individual poster, within the specific context of my comments.
You've fought my comments over and over again and now it's your chance to show which is more important: deficits or wasteful spending.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:26 am to The Boat
I don’t know enough about it to have an informed opinion.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:26 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Representative Thomas Massie voted “no” on the final passage of the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023 on May 31, 2023.
So strange that he would vote FOR IT to pass out of committee though. Weird.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:27 am to BugAC
quote:
Explain this, in context of the rest of the sentence and paragraph that you made sure to not address that you thought we wouldn't notice.
It's almost assured the change in his constituents was only a change in perception. Again, the question is what fueled that perception change.
Actual policy positions changes since November 2024 hasn't been posted, so it's not that, and the "he's no longer representing his constituents" doesn't work.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:27 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
The S in SFP stands for strawman?
You are strawmaning my statement
Now you're backed into a corner and I bet you double down on the ad homs and digression attempts to avoid answering
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
I fought your comments because they are wrong. Your addiction to fallacy doesn’t require me to engage in fallacy with you. Sorry.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
It's almost assured the change in his constituents was only a change in perception. Again, the question is what fueled that perception change.
No, the question isn't "what fueled the perception change." The question is what changed in Massie? What is more likely? Massie, who was overwhelmingly voted for in 2020, and then soundly defeated in 2026 changed, or the thousands of constituents just changed?
quote:
Actual policy positions changes since November 2024 hasn't been posted, so it's not that, and the "he's no longer representing his constituents" doesn't work.
He broke against Trump. He voted with the Democrats many times, and several times was the sole Republican voting against bills Trump supported at a time that Democrats are stopping at nothing, not even assassination, to stop Trump. Yeah, Massie was joining with that. The Democrats are WILDLY unpopular especially in Kentucky, and Massie aligned himself with them, rather than Trump and the Republicans. That is the reason he lost. The people didn't change. He changed. He spent all of Trumps tenure crying about Epstein, when he said NOTHING at any time before that. He developed TDS, along with the Dems. That is why he lost.
One of the symptoms of TDS is not being able to spot it. It's understandable why you don't get it and think that everyone else is wrong, and not you.
quote:
and the "he's no longer representing his constituents" doesn't work.
The results of yesterday state otherwise.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:33 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
I fought your comments because they are wrong. Your addiction to fallacy doesn’t require me to engage in fallacy with you. Sorry.
Called it
Continuing to spend like a Democrat makes the discovery of any fraud irrelevant, because you're doing nothing more than continuing to fund that endeavor at a level that includes the fraud amounts spent. The fraud portion becomes nothing more than virtue signaling.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:35 am to BugAC
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The question is what changed in Massie?
You've yet to cite any policy changes since November 2024 to showcase this change.
quote:
He broke against Trump.
He did that in 2020 and, allegedly, 2023. Didn't affect him in 2020, 2022, or 2024.
Again, it doesn't work.
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and several times was the sole Republican voting against bills Trump supported at a time
Again, didn't hurt him in 2020, 2022, or 2024
That dog won't hunt, either
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
"he's no longer representing his constituents" doesn't work.
Why doesn't this work? He enjoined himself with a progressive Democrat, Ro Khanna, and absolutely embarrassed himself and his constituents when he read the names of so-called Epstein perps, who were only men on a police lineup list, at an attempt to gotcha President Trump.
Kentucky voters should be congratulating themselves for getting rid of him, especially after his concession speech. Like somebody said, he turned out to be exactly who his former gf, West, said he was.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:41 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:SFP if you have a dog, you might want to start teaching him/her legal procedure. Might have better luck.
Why do you assume we can’t (or shouldn’t) do both?
This is a false choice fallacy
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:41 am to AlterEd
He seems like a clown
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:42 am to The Boat
it's mostly inconsequential to me. He voted along the party line a heavy majority of the time. This is mostly a personal grievance for Trump and his acolytes on the board. More than anything else it's a display of pettiness and weakness of character on Trump's part. Other than that, IDGAF...
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