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Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:16 am to roadGator
quote:
The hit job worked?
Cope.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:20 am to BugAC
Seal talk
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:20 am to BugAC
quote:
Cope
I know right? PACs spend money just for the hell of it. Probably tax right-offs. We know campaign spending doesn’t have any effect on people. Particularly record spending on a congressional primary.
I can’t imagine that any KY voters reacted like posters here (i.e., suddenly believing that a congressman with any 83% rating from Heritage Action turned into a progressive to stick it to Trump).
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:28 am to roadGator
quote:
Seal talk
Be a conservative loser if you want. It doesn't make any difference to me. Being conservative to a fault where you never win isn't a virtue. You can be conservative but also pragmatic, but that doesn't seem like your motive. And frankly, the reason Massie lost is because he was actively fighting against an incredibly President, who was way more popular to Massie's own consituents than Massie was.
this isn't a mystery. Massie lost because he went against Trump, in a time when TDS crowd has aligned itself with the Democrats, and where the public overwhelmingly have rejected everything the Democrats support. So aligning yourself with the Dems on bills, as we have just seen, has consequences.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:32 am to BugAC
quote:
I told you why the people voted against him. Other people have. He went against Trump.
Why didn't this swing his elections in 2020, 2022, or 2024?
His voters didn't care that he went against Trump in those 3 elections.
The fact that they cared in 2026 supports my point, as an example of how they changed.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:32 am to BugAC
quote:
Being conservative to a fault where you never win isn't a virtue.
Being a Democrat-lite isn't one, either.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:35 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Even weirder
The Biden-McCarthy agreement suspends the debt limit with no cap through Jan. 1, 2025, while also cutting non-defense spending to near fiscal 2022 levels, capping growth at 1% for the next two years and proposing non-mandatory caps for the four years after. It also claws back some money aimed at the Internal Revenue Service and some unspent COVID-19 pandemic funds. "I've been in Congress for a decade and this is the first real bill that cuts spending," Massie said.
So now we also know, Massie speaks out of both sides of his mouth. I was for it before I was against it. Principled, I tell you.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:42 am to Lg
Are you still pushing the “he voted for it” routine?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:43 am to BugAC
quote:
No, the question isn't "what fueled the perception change." The question is what changed in Massie? What is more likely? Massie, who was overwhelmingly voted for in 2020, and then soundly defeated in 2026 changed, or the thousands of constituents just changed?
Using logic and reasoning…it is illogical that that many people changed or suffered physiological conditioning. The logical explanation is that one person changed.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:47 am to BugAC
That’s one way to look at it.
I didn’t see you converting. Is melt next?
I didn’t see you converting. Is melt next?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:48 am to Mo Jeaux
Does $15M come with a piper expecting payment?
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:50 am to roadGator
Control of the party is the only power that actually matters in a primary system. That's not a weak grip, it's a monopoly, and Trump has it.
Now people like Thune, Collins and Murkowski have to get on board.
Now people like Thune, Collins and Murkowski have to get on board.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:51 am to BugAC
quote:
Be a conservative loser if you want. It doesn't make any difference to me. Being conservative to a fault where you never win isn't a virtue.
It even goes beyond being a conservative loser, to the point where they are just fine with Democrats winning all the time, to the point where the prefer Democrats wins.
Massie didn't lose because of what he stood for. He lost because he voted with the Democrats. He lost because of his media tour trashing Trump and the Republican Party. People got sick of his addiction to losing and typical do-nothing libertarianism.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Why didn't this swing his elections in 2020, 2022, or 2024?
You really don't want to use 2020 as an example of any legitimate election data.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:08 am to BugAC
quote:Exactly! Join the cult that outspends Biden! That’ll show those democrats who’s boss! Totally owning them! So much winning! Surely you aren’t tired yet?
Be a conservative loser if you want.
quote:Yup. I totally voted for Trump so we could bring back the Paul Ryan, John Boehner template! Man Trump is crushing it!
Being conservative to a fault where you never win isn't a virtue.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 11:11 am
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:11 am to Taxing Authority
quote:
Taxing Authority
Loser!
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Lite? Trump is governing Left of Clinton at this point.
Being a Democrat-lite isn't one, either.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
What did you "call"?
You said that DOGE was pointless without deficit reduction. That's factually incorrect because these issues are not mutually exclusive. I even gave examples. There should be zero tolerance for fraud, waste, and abuse - Deficit or no deficit.
Then, you tried to trick me into tacitly accepting your logic by asking me to buy into a false choice. I'm not biting.
Did Massie say all the right things? Sure.
Did he achieve anything? No.
Did he attempt form a coalition? No.
Did he obstruct party progress in his refusal to compromise on anything? Yes.
So what good is he? His constituents are still looking for the beef, and dems are shilling for the so-called "most conservative leader in congress".
You got catfished.
You said that DOGE was pointless without deficit reduction. That's factually incorrect because these issues are not mutually exclusive. I even gave examples. There should be zero tolerance for fraud, waste, and abuse - Deficit or no deficit.
Then, you tried to trick me into tacitly accepting your logic by asking me to buy into a false choice. I'm not biting.
Did Massie say all the right things? Sure.
Did he achieve anything? No.
Did he attempt form a coalition? No.
Did he obstruct party progress in his refusal to compromise on anything? Yes.
So what good is he? His constituents are still looking for the beef, and dems are shilling for the so-called "most conservative leader in congress".
You got catfished.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:14 am to Riverside
quote:!I guess? You’ll have to explain how implementing your opponents policies and excesses is winning. I asked the exact same question to Romney supporters back in the day. So you’re in good company.
Loser
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