re: Pornography: the seed of today's anarchy.

Not sure if serious.

Is this an Onion article?

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No disrespect, but these are good examples of failing to make the connection. I don't think it's a chicken and egg debate. It's safe and convenient to take this position so you don't piss off/placate your friends and sphere of influence, but that's all it is - convenient

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What person thinks that saying porn isn't the root cause to all evils of society means pissing off friends? Here are some statistics for you that proves that LBJ's great society, not porn, is the cause for much of today's anarchy. I'm sorry if this ruins your opinions on the matter, but ignoring the great society is sticking your head in the sand and wishing to pass the buck.

LINK

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In 1965, when the Great Society began in earnest following the massive electoral landslide reelection of LBJ, the out-of-wedlock birthrate among the black community was 21 percent. By 2017, this figure had risen to a whopping 77 percent. In some cities, this rate is as high as 80 percent, with most of the unwed mothers being teenagers

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To provide some historical context, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community was already rising before the Great Society. In 1938, that rate stood at 11 percent. Still, it’s worth noting the difference between the slow and steady increase of 1938 to 1965, and the explosive growth from 1965 until the present day. In any event, black women were more likely to be married than white women as late as 1950. It’s also worth looking at single parenthood over time: In the 1950s, 52 percent of all black children lived with both parents until the age of 17. By the 1980s, that number had plummeted to 6 percent.

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Among married black families, the poverty rate is 8 percent. Among black households headed by a single mother, that rate jumps to 37 percent.

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: There is no better predictor of male criminality than being raised in a fatherless home. 70 percent of all juvenile offenders in state reform institutions were raised in fatherless homes. This includes 60 percent of all rapists, 72 percent of all murderers, and 70 percent of long-term inmates.

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There is another statistic that is significant when it comes to evaluating the role of the Great Society in the destruction of the black family and, by extension, black society: participation in the labor market.

This is an important metric for a very simple reason: Few would argue that it’s better to not work than to work. Data provided by every census between 1890 and 1954 shows that black Americans were just as active – and sometimes more – in the labor market than their white counterparts. In 1900, for example, black unemployment was 15 percent lower than white unemployment. In 2017, it was 30 percent higher.

If the conventional narrative on black American poverty and general social dysfunction were correct – that this was caused by the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, and private discrimination – wouldn’t we expect to see a decline in black unemployment rather than the opposite?

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I see a bunch of angry coomers in this thread that will go to great lengths to defend porn.

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I see a bunch of angry coomers in this thread that will go to great lengths to defend porn.

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If that's your argument, then i see a bunch of angry democrats using porn as a diversion attempt to look away from their willing destruction of the nuclear family since the 1960's.

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I see a bunch of angry coomers in this thread that will go to great lengths to defend porn

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Truee. I'd bet a lot of the ones decrying porn have some shady google histories.

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BugAC

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I’m doing nothing other than pointing out that speaking in absolutes (like 100% and nothing) automatically demonstrates your lack of thoughtful consideration to someone who has been taught to think critically.

It’s ok to have opinions, but to say something with complete certainty and to wholly reject any alternative leaves no room for disagreement.

Making matters worse, you have no evidence to support your bold claims. Specifically, that porn has nothing to do with the degradation of the nuclear family.

You’re a conservative right? Don’t you agree with discourse? If so, why not consider the OP’s points?

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They are autonomous humans capable of making their own decisions. Why do you want to dictate others lives?

For supposed small government types, you folks sure do love to tell other people how to live their lives.

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One of the eternal struggles of progressivism vs. conservatism.

You aren't wrong that there's an issue here, the core to the idea, and to this thread, is that controlling one's own desires and urges (re: Sin to Christians) is and should be the purpose of the individual.

But culture and politics make that extremely hard to do. The major politics of the driving force of the left today is to live and let live, in a very simplistic sense (what you are basically outlining). However, it really means I get all of my desires and urges, and you have to pay for it, to accept it, support it and to celebrate it. Personal desire drives everything.

We are putting no barriers to and helping no one make good, conscious decisions. Even non-Christians should be looking at this as a Humanity problem in and of itself. Human nature is one that can get locked into any and all desires. (That's not even to say that all major problems in this world go back to chasing certain base desires unchecked).

But again "So what? We shouldn't and can't stop what people should do, they should stop themselves?"

As a whole, Humans can't. That's the problem. You, singularly, might be able to avoid porn, but culture at large, when it becomes this available and this free, can not. And you will continue to create kids who grow up with it who are ill equipped to deal with it. Again, for every 1 kid that has the stones to reject porn, there are 10 who don't. That's the problem. Therefore, for the betterment of the human condition having some limitation, and some negativity around porn, and all desires, should be a GOOD thing.

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If that's your argument, then i see a bunch of angry democrats using porn as a diversion attempt to look away from their willing destruction of the nuclear family since the 1960's.

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I'm not a Democrat.

I have the capacity to believe that both things may be detrimental simultaneously.

Your mileage may vary.

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There’s a few studies that have found marital separation rates correlate with porn usage in the relationship. It’s hard to argue against that from an experiential view as well.

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Which is the point to my post, that porn can be blamed for a lot of things, but it is not a root cause of the degradation of the nuclear family. Tigerpawl seems to think if we don't blame porn for the ills of society, then we support it. My point is that the Great Society of LBJ and the Democrats, unequivocally, directly is responsible for the degradation of the nuclear family within the black community and the nucelar family in general.

ETA: Then there is the whole self control thing. Porn isn't the problem, it's the individual. If you can't control your urges, that isn't porns fault. It's like blaming the gun for murder. The gun didn't commit the crime/sin.