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re: Populism (and Dobbs) is the basis for "muh democracy" rants and ravings from the DEMs
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:09 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:09 am to SquatchDawg
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We don’t operate like they do but too many on the left actually believe this stuff because it’s what THEY do when in control.
They control the media, the narrative will forever be on their side.
We need smarter people less prone to cheap propaganda, but we're too far gone for that.
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trump didn't appoint multiple justices of the USSC who voted to overturn Roe?
How is that a democratically elected person following our constitution an example of some one democratically elected ushering in authoritarian rule?
Which is what I thought in your original post was trying to illustrate, but illustrate both sides doing it.
I’m pointing out it didn’t happen under Trump. He was already president and the accusations of being hitler, a dictator or destroying democracy didn’t happen.
It’s his constitutional obligation to nominate justices.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think most could agree to some reasonable acceptance, but there's two extremes that will continue to dominate the propaganda cycle.
Everything is in extreme these days, histrionics. People are unwilling to yield anything.
We agree again, Rog.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:17 am to Turbeauxdog
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Second, All the babies who weren't killed since would like to talk to you about their rights being expanded.
So would the states who now have the freedom to decide this issue via their legislature.
He’d really like for all of us to accept his foundational claims as correct, because then everything he says after those is correct. That’s not how the world works.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They control the media, the narrative will forever be on their side.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:20 am to SquatchDawg
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The fallacy in this argument is that the majority of MAGA, republicans, conservatives, etc. have an ideology based in limited govt,
Limited government...as it applies to their beliefs.
Not so limited elsewhere (police state, abortion, immigration, trade, etc.)
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limited govt, law and order and individual freedom
Literally a philosophical conundrum in real time
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If the opposite were true, we could’ve stacked the court under prior administrations…but we didn’t.
Trump couldn't get the ACA repealed. Why do you think he could get this much more extreme policy implemented?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Limited government...as it applies to their beliefs.
This is an accurate description of everyone who isn’t an anarchist. You, me, Bernie; everyone.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:24 am to Turbeauxdog
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I directly refuted your list as a function of power consolidation which was your argument.
But you didn't and tried to turn it into a discussion on the policy itself.
Regulations like requiring voter ID, restricting felons from voting, etc. consolidate power by restricting a disproportionate amount of opposition from participating. That is a fact.
I'm not saying it's a good policy, just that the facts are the facts. Do I need to go through each thing and have you say yes/no or will you just admit you're wrong?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:25 am to Flats
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Then stop being inaccurate and portraying these people as concerned about liberty, freedom and apple pie.
They are concerned with perceived liberty, which was made clear in OP.
Same as conservatives and their perceived liberty via 2A.
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They’re concerned about abortion, not liberty as a whole.
They're concerned with guns, not liberty as a whole
See how easy that is?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:26 am to OceanMan
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by bringing up things like fricking Hungarian social policy that nobody in the US gives a frick about,
Nobody?
Many threads on this board celebrating the Hungarian social policy.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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by restricting
Wrong. “Impacting” might be accurate, but “restricting” is not except for felons.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:27 am to Turbeauxdog
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First of all, of course it didn't. To say otherwise is ridiculous.
Was there a national right to have an abortion pre-Dobbs? Yes.
Is there a national right to have an abortion post-Dobbs? No.
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Second, All the babies who weren't killed since would like to talk to you about their rights being expanded.
Emotional argument and irrelevant to this thread.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:36 am to udtiger
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Slo is a liberal who has too much Trump Derangement Syndrome in his blood
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:37 am to dgnx6
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How is that a democratically elected person following our constitution an example of some one democratically elected ushering in authoritarian rule?
It's seen as a step, just like in the examples I posted in OP.
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I’m pointing out it didn’t happen under Trump.
But it did. You're just dismissing the institutional changes he made to create the structure to seize the day when given the opportunity.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Do the pedos get to feed the children some of the excess fentanyl-laced candy from 2022 Halloween after? This "point" just shows that your perception of all of this cultural rot may be amplified somewhat and not reflective of society.
Look I know you are a relatively smart guy, although less intelligent than you believe, but you are a horrible legal scholar if you want to attack “Trump-appointed” justices for the horror that was the Dobbs decision. Roe was horrific legal judgement for anyone with a brain whether you are for or against abortion. They literally made up tights out of thin air with no legal justification.
It was a horrid law that should have been struck down many decades ago for being completely wrong. Abortion should be legislated at Jorge state and federal levels, and not granted as a right purely on made up grounds.
So according to you, following what the constitution and law should actually do is wrong? What kind of lawyer are you?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Was there a national right to have an abortion pre-Dobbs? Yes. Is there a national right to have an abortion post-Dobbs? No.
You'd have to ignore a plethora of other implications you don't like/ care about to conclude "people have less rights"
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Emotional argument and irrelevant to this thread.
We need a meme for you "every argument that destroys me is emotional"
There was nothing emotional about it. You just don't like it.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:39 am to Flats
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This is an accurate description of everyone who isn’t an anarchist.
No I can admit areas where I'm for different levels.
I don't even really make it a claim as an ideology anymore because it was hijacked by Patriots promoting bigger government while claiming they were for limited government.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:40 am to Flats
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Wrong. “Impacting” might be accurate, but “restricting” is not except for felons.
No, it's restricting.
If you have to have an ID to vote, then that's restricting everyone who doesn't have an ID.
If you eliminate early voting, then that's restricting anyone who can't vote on election day.
All of these policies skew very clearly on partisan lines, so there's a political-partisan reason for them.
You just like the policies that help your team so you want to pretend they're noble
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:42 am to Geauxgurt
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if you want to attack “Trump-appointed” justices for the horror that was the Dobbs decision
I'm not "attacking" anything related to Dobbs
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Roe was horrific legal judgement for anyone with a brain whether you are for or against abortion.
You may want to actually read OP
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So according to you, following what the constitution and law should actually do is wrong?
If it were only this simple and binary, we wouldn't need courts.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:44 am to Turbeauxdog
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You'd have to ignore a plethora of other implications you don't like/ care about to conclude "people have less rights"
No I don't.
Did people across the United States have a right to an abortion before Dobbs?
Do people across the United States have a right to an abortion today?
If you can't acknowledge basic facts, you can never argue honestly.
quote:How did a completely irrelevant "argument" destroy anything dealing with OP?
We need a meme for you "every argument that destroys me is emotional"
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There was nothing emotional about it.
Yes, bringing up unborn children has no emotional genesis or intended impact. That's why topics about abortion are so easily discussed in the US
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