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re: Populism (and Dobbs) is the basis for "muh democracy" rants and ravings from the DEMs
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to Flats
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to Flats
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Says the guy who keeps trying to dictate what is or isn’t appropriate in this thread.
Because people keep trying to push it off the rails.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to NM Tiger 67
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I like policies that decrease the opportunity for shenanigans. Democrats like policies that increase the opportunity for shenanigans.
No partisanship detected
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:do you think you're the first person to ever construct an argument such that you tried to dictate the ground on which your opponents must argue such that the conversation is rigged from the start? I mean seriously do you think you have happened upon some brilliant new rhetorical device? It's kind of pathetic really
Because people keep trying to push it off the rails.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:10 pm to udtiger
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No. There wasn't.
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The national "right" never existed under the Constitution, regardless of what prior courts said.
So it existed. Thanks.
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Just like "separate, but equal" was never correct
This isn't about value judgments of policies
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constitutional
Wrong.
You don't get to ignore history or reality. Separate but equal was constitutional for a period of our country. That's just a fact.
It's not constitutional, now.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:there's nothing partisan about wanting policies that maximize election security. It's not my fault that the other party doesn't seem to want those policies. There was a time in the past when they claimed they did. It wasn't that long ago they were issuing some of the same gripes that conservatives issue now. There's always more than one argument to anything. Using your toddler approach would require literally dismissing every argument available because they would all be considered partisan. That's childish
No partisanship detected
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:12 pm to NM Tiger 67
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I mean seriously do you think you have happened upon some brilliant new rhetorical device?
It's not a rhetorical device. More a regulation of propriety within the thread. Think Roberts Rules.
Trying to limit the discussion to the actual OP isn't a device used to argue for any point within the OP, if you want me to say it another way.
The great thing about Tigerdroppings is if you want to have that divergent discussion, you just have to click the "Start Topic" link and start typing.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:13 pm to NM Tiger 67
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there's nothing partisan about wanting policies that maximize election security
It can be partisan, especially when you literally follow up this noble ideal with a partisan commentary about the policies
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It's not my fault that the other party doesn't seem to want those policies.
And again.
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Using your toddler approach would require literally dismissing every argument available because they would all be considered partisan.
This thread isn't discussing "every argument available" because it's not discussing "every topic available"
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:nothing in Robert's Rules allows the originator of an argument to dictate the content of the opposition but nice try
It's not a rhetorical device. More a regulation of propriety within the thread. Think Roberts Rules.
quote:that's not what you're trying to do. You are trying to in advance take off the table all arguments that could potentially be made against your primary point. And I can tell from this board that you're not a f****** idiot so you know what you're doing. Therefore you're just gaslighting
Trying to limit the discussion to the actual OP isn't a device used to argue for any point within the OP, if you want me to say it another way.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You don't get to ignore history or reality. Separate but equal was constitutional for a period of our country. That's just a fact
Which amendment removed it from the Constitution?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:feel free to point me in the direction of any Democrats that are currently proposing increasing election security. It's not partisan if it's a simple observation. To call that partisan is to literally remove all discussion. Next you're going to tell me that observing the Democrats our pro-choice is a partisan observation. That's retarded
It can be partisan, especially when you literally follow up this noble ideal with a partisan commentary about the policies
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:17 pm to udtiger
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Which amendment removed it from the Constitution?
What is the price of tea in China?
Are you a Plessy denier? If so that's cool. I know they exist.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:18 pm to NM Tiger 67
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nothing in Robert's Rules allows the originator of an argument to dictate the content of the opposition but nice try
Am I a moderator deleting comments? No.
Then your "argument' is without merit
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that's not what you're trying to do.
You are a mind reader on the level of a Liberal
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You are trying to in advance take off the table all arguments that could potentially be made against your primary point.
Not in any way, shape, or form.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:you see you're just being silly here. You know the point he's making and the point he's making is perfectly valid. But you feel like it will lessen yourself to Simply acknowledge it. Which makes you a toddler
What is the price of tea in China?
Are you a Plessy denier? If so that's cool. I know they exist
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:19 pm to NM Tiger 67
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feel free to point me in the direction of any Democrats that are currently proposing increasing election security.
Partisan doesn't imply it has to be GOP-friendly exclusively.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:no you're simply telling everybody else that there's certain arguments that are off the table. Distinction without a difference
Am I a moderator deleting comments? No.
Then your "argument' is without merit
quote:well you would know
You are a mind reader on the level of a Liberal
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm to NM Tiger 67
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You know the point he's making and the point he's making is perfectly valid.
Only if Plessy was a bad ruling, hence asking if he was a Plessy-denier.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm to NM Tiger 67
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no you're simply telling everybody else that there's certain arguments that are off the table. Distinction without a difference
Do you think this thread is an appropriate place to discuss Tua v. Justin Herbert? Or whether or not Die Hard is a Christmas movie?
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Regulations like requiring voter ID, restricting felons from voting, etc. consolidate power by restricting a disproportionate amount of opposition from participating. That is a fact.
That is an absolute bald faced lie
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:well I agree that wanting secure elections should be the desire of literally 100% of America. If at some individual point in time secure elections help one side or the other isn't a terribly relevant.
Partisan doesn't imply it has to be GOP-friendly exclusively
If it were then that would basically mean that one can only do the right thing if the right thing has a perfectly even effect politically. Which is retarded.
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you have to have an ID to vote, then that's restricting everyone who doesn't have an ID.
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You just like the policies that help your team so you want to pretend they're noble
There is no way you can argue for no voter ID if it isn’t specifically to help your own “team”. None.
I mean are voter roles seen as a restriction? Having to actually register to vote?
Pushing not having to have an ID to vote is pushing for cheating. It’s a simple mitigating control to reconcile the voters available to the ones that actually vote.
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