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re: Populism (and Dobbs) is the basis for "muh democracy" rants and ravings from the DEMs

Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to
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Says the guy who keeps trying to dictate what is or isn’t appropriate in this thread.

Because people keep trying to push it off the rails.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:08 pm to
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I like policies that decrease the opportunity for shenanigans. Democrats like policies that increase the opportunity for shenanigans.

No partisanship detected
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:10 pm to
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Because people keep trying to push it off the rails.
do you think you're the first person to ever construct an argument such that you tried to dictate the ground on which your opponents must argue such that the conversation is rigged from the start? I mean seriously do you think you have happened upon some brilliant new rhetorical device? It's kind of pathetic really
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:10 pm to
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No. There wasn't.

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The national "right" never existed under the Constitution, regardless of what prior courts said.


So it existed. Thanks.

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Just like "separate, but equal" was never correct

This isn't about value judgments of policies

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constitutional

Wrong.

You don't get to ignore history or reality. Separate but equal was constitutional for a period of our country. That's just a fact.

It's not constitutional, now.
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:11 pm to
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No partisanship detected
there's nothing partisan about wanting policies that maximize election security. It's not my fault that the other party doesn't seem to want those policies. There was a time in the past when they claimed they did. It wasn't that long ago they were issuing some of the same gripes that conservatives issue now. There's always more than one argument to anything. Using your toddler approach would require literally dismissing every argument available because they would all be considered partisan. That's childish
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:12 pm to
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I mean seriously do you think you have happened upon some brilliant new rhetorical device?

It's not a rhetorical device. More a regulation of propriety within the thread. Think Roberts Rules.

Trying to limit the discussion to the actual OP isn't a device used to argue for any point within the OP, if you want me to say it another way.

The great thing about Tigerdroppings is if you want to have that divergent discussion, you just have to click the "Start Topic" link and start typing.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:13 pm to
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there's nothing partisan about wanting policies that maximize election security

It can be partisan, especially when you literally follow up this noble ideal with a partisan commentary about the policies

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It's not my fault that the other party doesn't seem to want those policies.

And again.

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Using your toddler approach would require literally dismissing every argument available because they would all be considered partisan.

This thread isn't discussing "every argument available" because it's not discussing "every topic available"
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:14 pm to
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It's not a rhetorical device. More a regulation of propriety within the thread. Think Roberts Rules.
nothing in Robert's Rules allows the originator of an argument to dictate the content of the opposition but nice try

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Trying to limit the discussion to the actual OP isn't a device used to argue for any point within the OP, if you want me to say it another way.
that's not what you're trying to do. You are trying to in advance take off the table all arguments that could potentially be made against your primary point. And I can tell from this board that you're not a f****** idiot so you know what you're doing. Therefore you're just gaslighting
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:15 pm to
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You don't get to ignore history or reality. Separate but equal was constitutional for a period of our country. That's just a fact


Which amendment removed it from the Constitution?
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:15 pm to
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It can be partisan, especially when you literally follow up this noble ideal with a partisan commentary about the policies
feel free to point me in the direction of any Democrats that are currently proposing increasing election security. It's not partisan if it's a simple observation. To call that partisan is to literally remove all discussion. Next you're going to tell me that observing the Democrats our pro-choice is a partisan observation. That's retarded
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Which amendment removed it from the Constitution?

What is the price of tea in China?

Are you a Plessy denier? If so that's cool. I know they exist.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:18 pm to
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nothing in Robert's Rules allows the originator of an argument to dictate the content of the opposition but nice try

Am I a moderator deleting comments? No.

Then your "argument' is without merit

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that's not what you're trying to do.

You are a mind reader on the level of a Liberal

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You are trying to in advance take off the table all arguments that could potentially be made against your primary point.

Not in any way, shape, or form.
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:18 pm to
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What is the price of tea in China?

Are you a Plessy denier? If so that's cool. I know they exist
you see you're just being silly here. You know the point he's making and the point he's making is perfectly valid. But you feel like it will lessen yourself to Simply acknowledge it. Which makes you a toddler
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:19 pm to
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feel free to point me in the direction of any Democrats that are currently proposing increasing election security.

Partisan doesn't imply it has to be GOP-friendly exclusively.
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:19 pm to
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Am I a moderator deleting comments? No.

Then your "argument' is without merit
no you're simply telling everybody else that there's certain arguments that are off the table. Distinction without a difference
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You are a mind reader on the level of a Liberal
well you would know
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm to
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You know the point he's making and the point he's making is perfectly valid.

Only if Plessy was a bad ruling, hence asking if he was a Plessy-denier.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476983 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:20 pm to
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no you're simply telling everybody else that there's certain arguments that are off the table. Distinction without a difference

Do you think this thread is an appropriate place to discuss Tua v. Justin Herbert? Or whether or not Die Hard is a Christmas movie?

Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8433 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Regulations like requiring voter ID, restricting felons from voting, etc. consolidate power by restricting a disproportionate amount of opposition from participating. That is a fact.


That is an absolute bald faced lie
Posted by NM Tiger 67
Member since Oct 2022
288 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:21 pm to
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Partisan doesn't imply it has to be GOP-friendly exclusively
well I agree that wanting secure elections should be the desire of literally 100% of America. If at some individual point in time secure elections help one side or the other isn't a terribly relevant.

If it were then that would basically mean that one can only do the right thing if the right thing has a perfectly even effect politically. Which is retarded.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23218 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 12:22 pm to
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you have to have an ID to vote, then that's restricting everyone who doesn't have an ID.


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You just like the policies that help your team so you want to pretend they're noble


There is no way you can argue for no voter ID if it isn’t specifically to help your own “team”. None.

I mean are voter roles seen as a restriction? Having to actually register to vote?

Pushing not having to have an ID to vote is pushing for cheating. It’s a simple mitigating control to reconcile the voters available to the ones that actually vote.
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