re: Pope Leo: If You Promote War You’re Not A Christian

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I'm not a fan of this Pope. He seems like a moron

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Why don't you read his remarks, instead of the inflammatory headline:

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"Dear brothers and sisters, we cannot believe in Jesus and promote war. We cannot believe in Jesus and kill the innocent," Leo said in his homily. "We cannot believe in Jesus and abandon those who suffer, those who weep, those who flee from misery."

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0% wrong with anything Pope Leo says here. Precisely zero.

The problem is the following:

1) The Vatican seems to make it a sport now, with the last two popes, in trying to make grand, philosophical statements knowing that...

2) The other sport being played is that every single word is used, mischaracterized by the media and it's minions - anyone wanting to stoke the fires of disagreement - that is uttered by anyone Catholic to make some point, point out some inaccuracy, or just get a "win," whatever that means.


To use the threat of violence as an outward means to an end, is not Christian. Period. To react with violence when provoked is a different thing. (I think this is what the Pope is referencing, just my guess, that promoting war to bully someone into submission is not Christian, is wrong. And - it is).

Now, as someone who realizes the world is not safe, the terms are not equal, and that bullies exist I can understand that these things need to happen. That a line must be crossed sometimes, as much as we don't want it to be.

I can both listen and understand the Pope's point, and believe it, while understanding that unfortunately, it's necessary - and I can try to move the world toward a point where it isn't.

But I can also believe, 100%, that the Pope cannot stand there and say the opposite. Or justify violence and war. He is speaking from an ideal, he is speaking from hope, he is speaking from being removed from those needs and just trying to articulate what we should aim for, not what is.

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Pope Leo: If You Promote War You’re Not A Christian

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And if you allow priests to rape little boys you're going to hell.

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And if you allow priests to rape little boys you're going to hell.

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This is it and all of it.
Any organization who always has members that long dicks little boys, and has a documented history of protecting the offenders has no moral high ground.
If they burn them at the vatican for 200 years they may earn a shread of credibility.
If your catholic at this point you condone child rape at this point.
Its not even close.
Your collection dollars have either funded or protected a child rapist.
You can worship and be a Christian elsewhere.
Disgusting.