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re: Pope Leo: If You Promote War You’re Not A Christian
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:37 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 6/19/26 at 11:37 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Not exactly. He allowed it, but he didn't build the temple. He let the Jews go back to their homeland, and it included the rebuilding of the cities and the temple.
The religion of the Persian emperor who built the Jewish temple in Jerusalem
quote:I hope you aren't claiming this was Cyrus' belief. He was tolerant of many religions and recognized many gods, and it isn't definitive that he was actually a Zoroastrian, like later Persian kings.
included the foundational belief
quote:You're describing things that were later developments in that religion, certainly later than the post-exile Jews' teachings.
that their savior would come as a future event and would be born of a virgin and made from the sperm of a long dead religious hero and would defeat death and evil.
As always, you sprinkle some truths into a pot of lies and pretend it's all accurate.
quote:Yes, I will, because you're the one who claims to be an unbiased scholar who only goes where the facts lead him, while ignoring the obvious historical reality of Jesus. I'll keep pressing that point home.
You, a buffoon who holds the earth is 6,000 years old and just a few thousand years ago, a dude and a few family members built a floating barge and put dinosaurs on it, want to try to talk shite because I said it is plausible that the early Christians believed Jesus’ body could have been made literally of the sperm or David.
People expect Christians to believe things about the Bible like a young earth, even if it sounds crazy to them. What they don't expect is someone who claims to only go where the facts lead walking down a path of conspiracy theories that ignore what almost all scholars who are even hostile to Christianity accept.
quote:Not quite. I discussed that in a previous post, but since you have a tendency to ignore all contrary statements and continue to regurgitate the same lies over and over again, I'll say it once more: the writing is a mix of Jewish and "Christian" thought, but the part that is undisputed as "Christian" includes the story of Mary and Joseph, where Mary was pregnant with Jesus (on earth). The sperm of David has nothing to do with that and, as far as I can tell, the only reference to David's "sperm" is actually translated "seed", speaking of Joseph, not Jesus, and is speaking of his lineage, not being created magically from David's sperm.
There was even a Christian gospel of Jesus Christ - the ascension of Isaiah - which stated just that.
Ironically, this birth of Jesus by Mary on earth takes place right after chapter 10, speaking of the different Heavens that you are fond of saying that early Christians (and Paul) taught, where Jesus never came to earth. Sounds like you are picking and choosing what you want to believe when it suits you.
quote:"You don't know and I don't know" is a far cry from what you are asserting, that these beliefs originated from Zoroastrianism. You can't have it both ways. You need to prove it, not throw some junk against the wall to see what sticks. You haven't proven anything except that there was a diversity of beliefs during the early church period. That's still true today, as there are many religions today and many even that throw in the name of Jesus. You need to do better than that.
There’s no end to your stupidity or hypocrisy. (Some) early Christians literally believed God fabricated a body for Jesus and built it from the sperm of David. Did all Christians believe that? Maybe, maybe not. You don’t know and I don’t know.
quote:Perhaps it isn't coincidental that there are many similiarities between Snow White and Christianity. Sounds like you're in denial.
It’s not coincidental similarities from Zoroastrianism to Judaism and Christianity. You’re in denial.
This post was edited on 6/20/26 at 6:12 am
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Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:38 pm to FooManChoo
quote:quote:Not exactly. He allowed it, but he didn't build the temple. He let the Jews go back to their homeland, and it included the rebuilding of the cities and the temple.
The religion of the Persian emperor who built the Jewish temple in Jerusalem
oh Foo Ezra 6
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1Then Darius the king made a decree, and search was made in Babylonia, in the house of the archives where the documents were stored. 2And in Ecbatana, the citadel that is in the province of Media, a scroll was found on which this was written: “A record. 3In the first year of Cyrus the king, Cyrus the king issued a decree: Concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, let the house be rebuilt, the place where sacrifices were offered, and let its foundations be retained. Its height shall be sixty cubits and its breadth sixty cubits, 4with three layers of great stones and one layer of timber. Let the cost be paid from the royal treasury. 5And also let the gold and silver vessels of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took out of the temple that is in Jerusalem and brought to Babylon, be restored and brought back to the temple that is in Jerusalem, each to its place. You shall put them in the house of God.”
Ok Foo, you got me. Cyrus didn’t build the temple. He didn’t make bricks out of clay. He didn’t lay the bricks. But he secured the land, funded it from his coffers, and determined its dimensions and how it would be built and from what materials. You know what, on second thought, let’s just say he was responsible for the rebuilding of the temple.
The Jewish scribes shite on Marduk, and they shite on Chemosh and Milcom and the gods of Egypt and so on and so forth. But they never shite on Ahura Mazda. Why not? Because Ahura Mazda and Cyrus and the Persian authorities were calling the shots and would have been pretty pissed if they were building a temple for a people who were writing trash talk about them.
Isaiah 45
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1Thus says the LORD to his messiah, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have grasped, to subdue nations before him and to loose the belts of kings, to open doors before him that gates may not be closed:
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I hope you aren't claiming this was Cyrus' belief. He was tolerant of many religions and recognized many gods, and it isn't definitive that he was actually a Zoroastrian, like later Persian kings.
He was a politician doing what politicians do. At least you acknowledge his dynasty was Zoroastrian, but what you fail to acknowledge was that the Zoroastrians were in complete control of Judah and Jerusalem and especially the temple and the temple cult in Jerusalem.
quote:quote:You're describing things that were later developments in that religion, certainly later than the post-exile Jews' teachings.
that their savior would come as a future event and would be born of a virgin and made from the sperm of a long dead religious hero and would defeat death and evil.
No, this is 6th century BCE mythology. You are the misinformed or disingenuous one.
Zoroastrian.org
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the obvious historical reality of Jesus
maybe… maybe 20% chance any of the gospel stuff was about a real historical dude or a composite character. 0% chance Paul or the Didache or Revelation or Jude or James or 1 Peter or 1 Clement was referring to a historical person on earth. quote:
People expect Christians to believe things about the Bible like a young earth, even if it sounds crazy to them
I expect most Christians to acknowledge the reality of an earth 4.5 billion years old, even though the Bible teaches young earth and flat earth but those are ignored by most.
quote:quote:Not quite. I discussed that in a previous post, but since you have a tendency to ignore all contrary statements and continue to regurgitate the same lies over and over again, I'll say it once more: the writing is a mix of Jewish and "Christian" thought, but the part that is undisputed as "Christian" includes the story of Mary and Joseph, where Mary was pregnant with Jesus (on earth)
There was even a Christian gospel of Jesus Christ - the ascension of Isaiah - which stated just that.
Cute. You think the “pocket gospel” from the Ethiopic version was part of the original version.
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Ironically, this birth of Jesus by Mary on earth takes place right after chapter 10, speaking of the different Heavens that you are fond of saying that early Christians (and Paul) taught, where Jesus never came to earth. Sounds like you are picking and choosing what you want to believe when it suits you.
Boy you can sure point contradictions in a composite / redacted text when your dogmas aren’t blinding you. If only you were capable of the the same rational critical thought concerning the biblical corpus. Then you’d be one of us atheistic heathens. :lol:
Foo, you are very deluded, ignorant, and mistaken. You should probably give up, not on life, but give up on this shite. Every word you type is utter retardation.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:41 pm to LuckyTiger
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Remember that one Pope Leo.
Remember that one Pope Leo.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 9:49 pm to Radio One
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If You Promote War You’re Not A Christian
I agree. Which is why I support Trump’s promotion of peace. Sometimes that means blowing the frick out of those who do promote war, and who in this case most certainly are not Christian. They’re moslems.
Posted on 6/24/26 at 11:05 pm to LuckyTiger
Time to change that Code of Canon Law
Posted on 6/24/26 at 11:23 pm to LuckyTiger
Nothing is more socialist than war.
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